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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: Dragons Coach ()
Date: June 07, 2021 10:43AM

Not trying to have a sook about anything.

Football is a game of opinions, I’m just giving nine. I thought it was a poor game. At the very least looking to how we have played at times this season and what we expect, we were rubbish. Both keepers were fantastic. We broke rangers down enough times throughout the game, just like rangers did us, but the low quality comment comes from the fact most of what happened on Saturday was by default, not design and when that’s the case it’s a flip of the coin for who the winner will be, and that is shit footy.

But credit where credit is due, NER had a game plan, stuck to it and executed it well enough to walk away with a point away from home.

I agree about the fouls from that player but the complaints he made were never disrespectful towards the referee and his comments that led to the TD were not TD worthy by any means. But as you said, if you know this ref you know what he accepts and doesn’t accept.

Looking forward to the next round.

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: kenthurst keith ()
Date: June 07, 2021 10:54AM

the difference between ghfa teams and hfi teams hfi teams are true hard footballers ghfa teams like bold and the beautiful hfi comp toughest in nsw how are hills hawkes going

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: Impartial 2.0 ()
Date: June 07, 2021 01:16PM

I generally find the Dragons Coach input on the forum quite balanced and fair minded. Like The Rock, he doesn't constantly complain about refs and talks about the broader game with great insight.


I think comments regarding refs and the sin bin rule; We need a specific guideline regarding what constitutes dissent. It's too broad and it can be interpreted differently by different people within the game (refs, players, managers, spectators)

From what has been described by Dragons Coach and +, what has led to those sin bins is not what I what call as dissent. That's frustration and there's a difference. We need get a consistent approach about this.

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: THE ROCK ()
Date: June 07, 2021 02:05PM

kenthurst keith Wrote:
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> the difference between ghfa teams and hfi teams
> hfi teams are true hard footballers ghfa teams
> like bold and the beautiful hfi comp toughest in
> nsw how are hills hawkes going


Take a breath or learn to use punctuation bud. Reminds me of someone.....


@Dragons Coach - The issues with TD's from what i've seen this year is that they are being used to control complaining. The whole purpose of a TD is control dissent to a referee, which my understanding is effectively abuse.
Problem is, it's subjective. Some refs will say asking a question is dissent, others won't.

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: Scrapper ()
Date: June 07, 2021 02:40PM

The issue is, North Epping are built around scrapping and defending when they don't know how to attack.

The Gaffer at the helm is from the streets of Wales and thats all he knows how to do. Defend with 11 behind the ball, forget attack, we can draw 18 games and make the finals.

Good football, for Super League.

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: Fitzy ()
Date: June 07, 2021 02:55PM

A TD is for - Dissent by Word or Action - and if you get to page 172 in the rule book it's further defined as a Public protest or disagreement (verbal and/or physical) with a match officials decision. I think most refs can handle a moderate and immediate appeal /complaint eg it was our throw/corner kick/it came off him, c'mon ref he was pushed. Complain 3 times about the same thing when a question is answered then maybe not. How loud the "questioning" is, the tone also weighs into the call. Whinge multiple times in the game and you will at some stage go past a refs tolerance level.

If you want to ask a question make sure it's a question. "What the F*%K was that for" or "what game were you watching" are not questions.

A red card is for - Using offensive, insulting or abusive language and or gestures - defined as pg 175 - Verbal or physical behavior which is rude, hurtful, disrespectful. What represents hurtful will be in the eye of the beholder. There will never be a list of acceptable and not acceptable words or phrases.

Look at the uncovered games from the weekend and you will see the result of dissent throughout the grades. Football should be a game to be enjoyed by all involved. Enjoy round 2.

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: Dragons Coach ()
Date: June 07, 2021 03:09PM

Cheers Ftizy. I didn’t realise it was stipulated as such in the rule book. If it says exactly that on page 172 then yes, I can understand the TDs in the weekends games…it sucks because in the heat of the moment anyone will get frustrated and complaining, however they do it, is going to happen but if that’s in the rule book and the refs can use it at their discretion then there’s not much more to add.

The tough part is knowing the boundaries with each ref, it’s all well and good to say no one says anything to any ref, but at the end of the day we’re human, frustrations will show and even for referees, it’s hard to be consistent week to week because they’re human too.

…ah, the bloody TD rule…

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: Fitzy ()
Date: June 07, 2021 03:37PM

It's like speeding on the freeway. Some Policeman turn a blind eye to someone driving at 115km/h, some 120km/h and some 123km/h. Some Policeman just had a fight with their wife before their shift started and you don't want to drive past them!

The key is let the other team discover where the boundary is!

If you let rip quickly with a few choice words and realise it straight away a quick hand up and acknowledgement helps as well.

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: Juice ()
Date: June 07, 2021 03:43PM

Dragons coach, the TD rule was partly introduce to avoid the accruing of unnecessary formal cautions for such actions - to keep players on the pitch. I don’t think it’s a bad thing but many fellow persons in black did when it came in. Perhaps some refs are grey a little between what’s player frustration and what’s decent which is where it comes unstuck a little. This is where the refs instructions at the start of the game with captains, helps perhaps generalise about what’s tolerant and what’s not. Generally speaking though, I can’t imagine too many refs dishing out a TD from the outset without some interaction with a player first by word. Added to that, as you’ve wisely pointed out, as I remember when I played, you’d see who your centre was and in some cases, you just knew to keep your mouth shut else it would only ever end one way. Like it or not, it’s reality.
I’ve read above somewhere that TDs are being used to stop complaining… technically speaking, incessant complaining and questioning decisions is decent when you think about it. Like Dragons coach said, refs are human, they have good games, and they have bad games. Might have had a crap day at work Friday, been up all night feeding a baby or looking after a sick kid, so they turn up a little extra spent, they get questioned over and over, ‘absorb’ player’s frustrations, spectators abuse, the bench! Lol… a little tolerance goes along way and yes I know it works both ways, but get to know your refs. You’ll enjoy it more when you set your expectations of refs at a realistic level smiling smiley

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: Td - old school ()
Date: June 07, 2021 08:22PM

Wow everyone is being so nice!

Back in my day, there was no TD.

It was yellow, shut your mouth or you will cop another one.

I think it should be the same today in the PL. everyone is too scared to give a red.

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: kenthurst keith ()
Date: June 07, 2021 09:47PM

the game has become soft ghfa softest players in nsw even softer than those tea drinking eastern suburb teams

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: English breakfast ()
Date: June 08, 2021 05:44AM

kenthurst keith Wrote:
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> the game has become soft ghfa softest players in
> nsw even softer than those tea drinking eastern
> suburb teams

You loves god tea bag Dont ya Keith don’t lie!

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: Lel ()
Date: June 08, 2021 07:32AM

“You love a good teabag” ??

Definitely Agree though

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: jOE montana ()
Date: June 08, 2021 09:23AM

TD.. what's a TD?

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: Jamie ()
Date: June 08, 2021 11:33AM

TD thick dick.

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: micro ()
Date: June 08, 2021 11:36AM

Tiny dick in kenthurst keith's case

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: Don't h8 just appreci8 ()
Date: June 08, 2021 12:27PM

Not sure what all the hate for North Epping is all about.

If you can't break down 10 men behind the ball then it means your attack is cheap. It's as simple as that.

I'm in awe how these guys can maintain such discipline and awareness to shut out some of the best attacks in the comp.

Coach is a nob. No doubt about that

Everyone's laughing at Woodies yet they are in the Top 4 with 6 of their 9 games at home.

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: Bless Me Father ()
Date: June 08, 2021 07:09PM

Don't h8 just appreci8 Wrote:
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> Not sure what all the hate for North Epping is all
> about.

Still paying for their 2020 sins when they should have been relegated instead of Epping

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: kenthurst keith ()
Date: June 08, 2021 07:33PM

stiffs have been rubbish for years now

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: Ressies > Firsts ()
Date: June 08, 2021 08:26PM

Mike dean Wrote:
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> What’s the deal with the standard of 1st grade
> refs at the moment? Surely there’s better
> around. Seems to be all power tripping heros

Whilst we are talking about referees, this is something that I'm finding way too often.

I've found majority of the reserves referee's to be so much better than the first grade refs. Especially the younger ones.

If there are so many problems occurring with our first grade refs, why aren't these reserves refs getting the call-up to see how they fare? Surely they can't be any worse than what we are getting so far?

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: keith Hackett ()
Date: June 08, 2021 09:51PM

Ressies > Firsts Wrote:
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> Mike dean Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What’s the deal with the standard of 1st
> grade
> > refs at the moment? Surely there’s better
> > around. Seems to be all power tripping heros
>
> Whilst we are talking about referees, this is
> something that I'm finding way too often.
>
> I've found majority of the reserves referee's to
> be so much better than the first grade refs.
> Especially the younger ones.
>
> If there are so many problems occurring with our
> first grade refs, why aren't these reserves refs
> getting the call-up to see how they fare? Surely
> they can't be any worse than what we are getting
> so far?



Seniority mate,, just like the EPL.
All the crappy refs are the oldies who don't get dropped howlers after howlers

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Re: Results Rnd 9
Posted by: Don’t hurt my feelings ()
Date: June 09, 2021 01:41PM

Bless Me Father Wrote:
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> Don't h8 just appreci8 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not sure what all the hate for North Epping is
> all
> > about.
>
> Still paying for their 2020 sins when they should
> have been relegated instead of Epping


Pretty sure they have been wankers from back in the day....
Give up and play super league

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