Thinks he can swear at an official and get away with it, the fat fucking loser got 5 weeks hahaha
The whole Rovers squad is a bunch of whinging abusive cry baby's too. Complain about every decision made and give it to everyone else whenever something goes their way. They're fucking terrible people.
Even their supporters are the worst. A bunch of fat neck beard Bikie losers.
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>Thinks he can swear at an official and get away with it, the fat fucking loser got 5 weeks hahaha
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>The whole Rovers squad is a bunch of whinging abusive cry baby's too. Complain about every decision made and give it to everyone else whenever something goes their way. They're fucking terrible people.
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>Even their supporters are the worst. A bunch of fat neck beard Bikie losers.
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You know you can see match reports from ARs right ? Sounds very familiar to what was written in there.
Imagine going on an annoymous forum to complain about an incident that happened 2 weeks ago then calling somebody else a loser, get on with your life mate.
>>Thinks he can swear at an official and get away with it, the fat fucking loser got 5 weeks hahaha
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>>The whole Rovers squad is a bunch of whinging abusive cry baby's too. Complain about every decision made and give it to everyone else whenever something goes their way. They're fucking terrible people.
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>>Even their supporters are the worst. A bunch of fat neck beard Bikie losers.
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>You know you can see match reports from ARs right ? Sounds very familiar to what was written in there.
>Imagine going on an annoymous forum to complain about an incident that happened 2 weeks ago then calling somebody else a loser, get on with your life mate.
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Imagine thinking a 16 year linesman is going to know about this forum, let alone post in it... Spectators could hear what exactly was said from the canteen area. Nice deflecting
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>From my experience he's a competitive guy, but that doesn't sound like him.
>Surely this has been "stretched".
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>Although to be brutally honest, the Reffing this year is so inconsistent. I've seen red's this year that in prior seasons were play on.
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The Linesman wasnt 16 and the middle ref didnt hear it as he had to be called over by said linesman but those people at the canteen could hear it apparently.
If thats what was said you cant have many complaints but the guy above is posting a very different narative to what actually happened.
>THE ROCK wrote: ------------------------------------------ >
>>From my experience he's a competitive guy, but that doesn't sound like him.
>>Surely this has been "stretched".
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>>Although to be brutally honest, the Reffing this year is so inconsistent. I've seen red's this year that in prior seasons were play on.
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>The Linesman wasnt 16 and the middle ref didnt hear it as he had to be called over by said linesman but those people at the canteen could hear it apparently.
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>If thats what was said you cant have many complaints but the guy above is posting a very different narative to what actually happened.
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Not sure whether you're being serious or not.
What actually happened then? Because what was posted above was pretty much exactly what happened.
Rovers always the victims, never can take responsbility.
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>From my experience he's a competitive guy, but that doesn't sound like him.
>Surely this has been "stretched".
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>Although to be brutally honest, the Reffing this year is so inconsistent. I've seen red's this year that in prior seasons were play on.
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I tend to agree with your last sentence. The refereeing has been totally inconsistent and I don't think there is clear training given to refs around how to handle situations.
I get that the ref being attacked at the start of the season was a good awareness week of referee abuse but holy moley are we getting to a stage where refs can't distinguish what is violent conduct, what is abuse or just frustration or what's studs up compared to a late tackle.
Absolutely embarrassing. And then you have your good refs who ref the game the way it should and everyone gets confused because what was a send off the week before is only a caution or a talking to.
There are literally only 4 outstanding consistent refs in the comp and half the time they don't ref this comp. The rest are a roll of a dice whether you will get an okay performance or a down-right awful one.
What happened to the ref earlier in the season? I get no abuse etc is acceptable (verbal or physical) but some refs come to a game expecting everyone to agree with every decision and for tempers not to flare at all which is very egotistical and naive of them to think everyone is just going to be super calm. Its a bunch of of men playing passionately with their blood up. If they can't handle a bit of passion. They don't want to hear a bar of what you're saying even when you try and calmly explain to them, they're also amateurs so should be more receptive to what the players are trying to communicate. But yeah what happened to the ref earlier in the year?
The worst ref by far was Mal that we have had this year
I think they are talking about the Bankstown ref that got bashed after Easter.
Mal Arnold refereeing PL is gotta to be the most disgraceful thing to happen for our comp. I rather a spectator ref than him.
You have refs who blow 40+ fouls a game and have no idea how to flow a game, you have some refs who have a cry if you speak to them, you have some refs who can barely get out of the half-way line. And then you have some refs who just can't ref at all.
It's not a great reflection on our assoication or even our refs association.
This conversation has gone a bit off topic, can we please bring it back to how much of a cunt Scott Hatfield is?
I disagree with Rock, after playing against Hatfield over the last 10 years I think abusing a junior ref is exactly the type of thing that guy would do. Not at all surprised hes cost his team the game by being a moron
>I think they are talking about the Bankstown ref that got bashed after Easter.
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>Mal Arnold refereeing PL is gotta to be the most disgraceful thing to happen for our comp. I rather a spectator ref than him.
>You have refs who blow 40+ fouls a game and have no idea how to flow a game, you have some refs who have a cry if you speak to them, you have some refs who can barely get out of the half-way line. And then you have some refs who just can't ref at all.
>It's not a great reflection on our assoication or even our refs association.
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More like it's not a good reflection on why you don't have quality refs because why would you when players continue to sook, abuse and be disrespectful. Most referees understand the difference between player frustration and decent. Most players don't understand this difference and cross the line all too often. We don't have good ref is maybe because they're sick of it. There will always be different styles of refs.
You've got it backwards. The only refs who get abused constantly are the terrible ones. It's not a hard connection to make. If you're a referee who's constantly getting stick from multiple different players from multiple different teams week in and week out, I hate to break it to you, but the problem isn't the players having an "attitude problem" it's YOU having an "inconsistent, bias or incompetent problem".
This association has some great refs who have been here for years and years. You know why they've lasted so long? Because they are good at their job and as a result they are respected by the players. They know the difference between a physically dominant challenge and a reckless challenge, they can distinguish the line between when a player is abusive or simply venting some frustration, they have the ability to let a game flow and not make it all about them on some sort of a power trip, they allow players to have discourse with them without taking it as a personal insult, they explain their decisions when questioned without waving their hand in your face and telling you to go away, they officiate in a way that protects player safety instead of letting wild challenges go.
Some of the best ref's I have seen have barely been noticeable on the field and that includes in games that were fiery and physical. I understand, just like players, referees have different personalities and that affects the way they officiate but you can't come on here whinging if it's happening week in and week out if you're unwilling to modify the way you ref. If you had an office job and you're constantly being told you need to improve your performance the solution is to do a better job, not complain that everyone is being too mean to you especially when some of your colleagues are having no issues and are smashing it.
and before the inevitable comment of "we'll go do a referee course if you think it's that easy". You don't need to be a ref to know what a bad one looks like. Just like you don't need to be a player to know what a shit one looks like.
>You've got it backwards. The only refs who get abused constantly are the terrible ones. It's not a hard connection to make. If you're a referee who's constantly getting stick from multiple different players from multiple different teams week in and week out, I hate to break it to you, but the problem isn't the players having an "attitude problem" it's YOU having an "inconsistent, bias or incompetent problem".
>This association has some great refs who have been here for years and years. You know why they've lasted so long? Because they are good at their job and as a result they are respected by the players. They know the difference between a physically dominant challenge and a reckless challenge, they can distinguish the line between when a player is abusive or simply venting some frustration, they have the ability to let a game flow and not make it all about them on some sort of a power trip, they allow players to have discourse with them without taking it as a personal insult, they explain their decisions when questioned without waving their hand in your face and telling you to go away, they officiate in a way that protects player safety instead of letting wild challenges go.
>Some of the best ref's I have seen have barely been noticeable on the field and that includes in games that were fiery and physical. I understand, just like players, referees have different personalities and that affects the way they officiate but you can't come on here whinging if it's happening week in and week out if you're unwilling to modify the way you ref. If you had an office job and you're constantly being told you need to improve your performance the solution is to do a better job, not complain that everyone is being too mean to you especially when some of your colleagues are having no issues and are smashing it.
>and before the inevitable comment of "we'll go do a referee course if you think it's that easy". You don't need to be a ref to know what a bad one looks like. Just like you don't need to be a player to know what a shit one looks like.
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I absolutely agree with you. I find though the incompotent refs are the older ones that have just been around for too long. They were once compotent but nowadays they simply up to the mark and that brings up more frustration and not knowing how to handle the situation like they use to.
What's concerning is that Generation Z have pretty weak resilience and attutide problems. The next 10 years of refereeing could be worse with our Gen Z refs coming through. A little bit of lip and they will go crazy. Already finding some of the younger ones doing ressies simply have no idea how to handle criticism or even know how to flow a game. And if all they have in training is simply looking up to an older First Grade shitty ref, then what kind of inspiration does that spark?
Still missing the point aren't you. So a couple of good ones are still around. Will more replace them in time? Keep abusing refs and you'll have no one let alone a crap one. I've seen some refs do reserves and 1sts this year which to me indicates a shortage when they are doubling up for PL games. As for quality, the quality of players is far worse than the quality of referees.
As for gen z, maybe not as resilient, maybe not as tolerant of morons who don't shut up, sook and question every 30 seconds who can't string 2 passes together let alone judge application of the LOTG. Name me a work place that abuses employees the way refs are abused (aside from the odd caveman worksite).
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>Still missing the point aren't you. So a couple of good ones are still around. Will more replace them in time? Keep abusing refs and you'll have no one let alone a crap one. I've seen some refs do reserves and 1sts this year which to me indicates a shortage when they are doubling up for PL games. As for quality, the quality of players is far worse than the quality of referees.
>As for gen z, maybe not as resilient, maybe not as tolerant of morons who don't shut up, sook and question every 30 seconds who can't string 2 passes together let alone judge application of the LOTG. Name me a work place that abuses employees the way refs are abused (aside from the odd caveman worksite).
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As far as I can tell, your point is "don't be mean to the refs because we barely have enough as it is and we'll soon have none". Am I mistaken? It's a sad position to take for this association if you have to accept that a shit ref is better than no ref at all but that's a whole other argument.
You also missed the analogy of doing a shit job and getting grilled for it. In that case the people "abusing" the ref isn't the employee it's the customers. The refs aren't getting critisied by the people who employ them they're being criticised by the people they are serving (the players) and if you do a shit job your customers are sure as hell going to tell you. So if you're being told multiple times by your customers "you are really shitting the bed week in and week out and it's not good enough" and your response is "it's not me, you're whinging too much, you need to just suck it up and deal with it, what would you rather, a bad customer service experience or none at all?" If that's your honest response instead of trying to modify how you work then you need to pull your head out of your ass, check your ego and accept you need to do better.
Don't get this confused, there's a huge difference between criticism and out and out abuse (which I do not condone at all). Swearing at a ref, threatening them or personally attacking them is not what I'm referring to. I'm referencing being critical of their performance and questioning their judgement, that is not abuse and from my experience ref's generally are overly sensitive and, in some cases, downright abrasive and dismissive when confronted about it. A one off shit game by a ref, hell even a few, most players will just cop on the chin as a part of the territory with officiating. But this has become so regular that we know even before the game kicks off how it will go depending on what ref is there. Phrases like "ok lads *insert ref name* is doing our game, we know what they're like so don't expect any calls for shit challenges", or "it's *insert ref* in the middle today so don't even say a single word or you'll get carded because we know they like to make the game all about them"
is there not something sad/wrong in your eyes about that?
> Swearing at a ref, threatening them or personally attacking them is not what I'm referring to. I'm referencing being critical of their performance and questioning their judgement
LOL... name me a single time where a player has had a decision go against them (whether the ref was mistaken or not) and the player's feedback was a polite piece of constructive criticism. You and I both know that that isn't what happens.
The fact that you think it is acceptable to hurl abuse and complaints at a ref (and, apparently, any other employee at a workplace) if they happen to make a bad decision speaks far more about you than them.
Let's face it, we're playing park football. In the same way that players make loads of mistakes in a game, refs at this level are going to do the same. We (the players) need to have the discipline to accept the decision and get on with it. Pissing and moaning to the ref about every poor decision is simply poor discipline and it is beyond time that players (and coaches) looked inwardly at the way they behave.
>I think they are talking about the Bankstown ref that got bashed after Easter.
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>Mal Arnold refereeing PL is gotta to be the most disgraceful thing to happen for our comp. I rather a spectator ref than him.
>You have refs who blow 40+ fouls a game and have no idea how to flow a game, you have some refs who have a cry if you speak to them, you have some refs who can barely get out of the half-way line. And then you have some refs who just can't ref at all.
>It's not a great reflection on our assoication or even our refs association.
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Was at ELS Hall yesterday watching both Ressies and Firsts and the Ressies ref was leaps and bounds the best ref I've seen this year. Everything you've mentioned in your post, this young bloke did to perfection. His communication with players, his respect, looked like he was joking and having fun with the players, handled hot headed players with calmness, consistent with his decision making. Everything that the firsts ref wasn't in the game after.
In a season where average refereeing has been the norm, it was refreshing to see common sense reffing.
Btw where's Juice? Hasn't reffed us at all this season. Did he take the year off?
>>I think they are talking about the Bankstown ref that got bashed after Easter.
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>>Mal Arnold refereeing PL is gotta to be the most disgraceful thing to happen for our comp. I rather a spectator ref than him.
>>You have refs who blow 40+ fouls a game and have no idea how to flow a game, you have some refs who have a cry if you speak to them, you have some refs who can barely get out of the half-way line. And then you have some refs who just can't ref at all.
>>It's not a great reflection on our assoication or even our refs association.
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>Was at ELS Hall yesterday watching both Ressies and Firsts and the Ressies ref was leaps and bounds the best ref I've seen this year. Everything you've mentioned in your post, this young bloke did to perfection. His communication with players, his respect, looked like he was joking and having fun with the players, handled hot headed players with calmness, consistent with his decision making. Everything that the firsts ref wasn't in the game after.
In a season where average refereeing has been the norm, it was refreshing to see common sense reffing.
Btw where's Juice? Hasn't reffed us at all this season. Did he take the year off?
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Agree the young guy was good much better than the 1sts one. Should be doing 1sts with that performance. We've had Juice this year think he's doing state league but now so doesn't do many association stuff as much. It's true what they say when you see who you've got for a game it's either a relief should be a good game or great here we go with another numpty
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>> Swearing at a ref, threatening them or personally attacking them is not what I'm referring to. I'm referencing being critical of their performance and questioning their judgement
>LOL... name me a single time where a player has had a decision go against them (whether the ref was mistaken or not) and the player's feedback was a polite piece of constructive criticism. You and I both know that that isn't what happens.
>The fact that you think it is acceptable to hurl abuse and complaints at a ref (and, apparently, any other employee at a workplace) if they happen to make a bad decision speaks far more about you than them.
>Let's face it, we're playing park football. In the same way that players make loads of mistakes in a game, refs at this level are going to do the same. We (the players) need to have the discipline to accept the decision and get on with it. Pissing and moaning to the ref about every poor decision is simply poor discipline and it is beyond time that players (and coaches) looked inwardly at the way they behave.
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Firstly you can't honestly say you have never seen a player and referee have a civil discussion when they disagree about a decision. It happens all the time and you know it, don't act as if everyone are grubs who just want to yell at referees all game. I can't speak for everyone but I'd much rather referees be seen and not heard. The less impact you have on the game the better. Most players would rather not even know they are there. Secondly abuse and complaints are two very different things. As you conviniently ignored, I'm not condoning any sort of abuse towards ref's (or employees), I'm speaking to the instances of referees who can't even accept criticism of their judgement or performance and take it as abuse. The ones who are so clearly stuck in their ways, egotistical and refuse to change despite the amount of times they are being told they are doing a poor job. Again, seeing as you struggle to comprehend last time, I am not condoning providing this feedback as yelling and screaming either champ. I'm referring to the countless times they have been approached after decisions, at half time or at the end of the game by either players or coaching staff and flat out being told to "shut up" "go away" "I don't want to hear it" " I don't care" or having a hand waved in your face. This is not how you garner respect from players coaches and supporters, and the irony of refs saying things to players that, if said back to them, would get a player sent to the bin for 10 is not lost on anyone. The player base is sure as hell not perfect angels but don't claim for a second that the referees don't have the ability to impact the way they are treated either. When a game is officiated well and consistently, players are given respect and protected there is a direct cause and effect with how people react to you.
This is a two way street, both parties need to look inward, self-reflect and improve their standards in this league. No one wants to end up like some of these leagues where there are punch-on's every 2nd week and there are no referees at all.
>>>I think they are talking about the Bankstown ref that got bashed after Easter.
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>>>Mal Arnold refereeing PL is gotta to be the most disgraceful thing to happen for our comp. I rather a spectator ref than him.
>>>You have refs who blow 40+ fouls a game and have no idea how to flow a game, you have some refs who have a cry if you speak to them, you have some refs who can barely get out of the half-way line. And then you have some refs who just can't ref at all.
>>>It's not a great reflection on our assoication or even our refs association.
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>>Was at ELS Hall yesterday watching both Ressies and Firsts and the Ressies ref was leaps and bounds the best ref I've seen this year. Everything you've mentioned in your post, this young bloke did to perfection. His communication with players, his respect, looked like he was joking and having fun with the players, handled hot headed players with calmness, consistent with his decision making. Everything that the firsts ref wasn't in the game after.
In a season where average refereeing has been the norm, it was refreshing to see common sense reffing.
Btw where's Juice? Hasn't reffed us at all this season. Did he take the year off?
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>Agree the young guy was good much better than the 1sts one. Should be doing 1sts with that performance. We've had Juice this year think he's doing state league but now so doesn't do many association stuff as much. It's true what they say when you see who you've got for a game it's either a relief should be a good game or great here we go with another numpty
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Makes sense that the best ref in the comp gets poached to do State League. That's a huge loss on our association.
Agree though about the ressies ref. He's been doing ressies now for the last 3 or 4 years that I can remember. Absolute quality for a while and a top bloke off the field. Clear candidate to ref the Grand Final.
And I say this despite Lions winning both games so it ain't sour grapes.
bloke in reserves barely left middle third of the pitch. Disallowed a goal for offside despite being nowhere near the play and without even speaking to the AR who was in line and kept flag down.
First grade was worse. Knew when I saw who it was he would make himself the star of the show and didn't disappoint. Did his best to get Tigers over the line but fortunately there were two AR's who knew how to do their job.
>And I say this despite Lions winning both games so it ain't sour grapes.
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>bloke in reserves barely left middle third of the pitch. Disallowed a goal for offside despite being nowhere near the play and without even speaking to the AR who was in line and kept flag down.
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>First grade was worse. Knew when I saw who it was he would make himself the star of the show and didn't disappoint. Did his best to get Tigers over the line but fortunately there were two AR's who knew how to do their job.
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>Meanwhile Reidy is on the side watching.....
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>Who makes these appointments??
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They probably already have the refs for next week and the gf pencilled in like yesterday. Can't give every game to the same ones. Let's hope they get it right for the remainder.
>And I say this despite Lions winning both games so it ain't sour grapes.
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>bloke in reserves barely left middle third of the pitch. Disallowed a goal for offside despite being nowhere near the play and without even speaking to the AR who was in line and kept flag down.
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>First grade was worse. Knew when I saw who it was he would make himself the star of the show and didn't disappoint. Did his best to get Tigers over the line but fortunately there were two AR's who knew how to do their job.
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>Meanwhile Reidy is on the side watching.....
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>Who makes these appointments??
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I feel like the same conversations and posts are repeating itself from the year before. Remember some pretty bang-average refs being picked for sudden death finals football last season and that being the main talk.
3 out of the 4 refs being labeled as average or incompetent this weekend is not a great look. And the irony is, the good ref that did well will probably be never seen again and the other 3 will play some part in finals football for the next 2 weekends. You couldn't even make this up but guarantee it will happen.
It's been said on here a couple of times but you simply know as a player whether you'll get a fair, decent game when you see who is centre reffing ya. Bring back the feedback cards I say. Surely teams can provide constructive feedback that can help paint a picture for the refs association as to who is good and who is not.
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>Still missing the point aren't you. So a couple of good ones are still around. Will more replace them in time? Keep abusing refs and you'll have no one let alone a crap one. I've seen some refs do reserves and 1sts this year which to me indicates a shortage when they are doubling up for PL games. As for quality, the quality of players is far worse than the quality of referees.
>As for gen z, maybe not as resilient, maybe not as tolerant of morons who don't shut up, sook and question every 30 seconds who can't string 2 passes together let alone judge application of the LOTG. Name me a work place that abuses employees the way refs are abused (aside from the odd caveman worksite).
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I think the point he was trying to make was if you are good, you won't get a complaint.
If you are consistently bad, you will get multiple complaints.
Either way, i know there are a lack of refs this year. And you can't go grab any ref and stick them into the first grade or ressies of PL without experience.
Lets keep in mind that one of the best thing that makes the assocation great over others is the fact that typically you will get 2-3 refs per game.
Like how many times over the past 5 years can you think of when you havent had 3 refs? I can count on 1 hand.
BUT I will say, swearing is part of the game. There is a difference to swearing in frustration and swearing at someone(which is considered abuse). This needs to be explained to all officials and players.
>And I say this despite Lions winning both games so it ain't sour grapes.
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>bloke in reserves barely left middle third of the pitch. Disallowed a goal for offside despite being nowhere near the play and without even speaking to the AR who was in line and kept flag down.
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>First grade was worse. Knew when I saw who it was he would make himself the star of the show and didn't disappoint. Did his best to get Tigers over the line but fortunately there were two AR's who knew how to do their job.
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>Meanwhile Reidy is on the side watching.....
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>Who makes these appointments??
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Can you expand a little on "Did his best to get Tigers over the line"? He was equally bad for both sides and refused to show a card to either team and the WPH #31 should've seen at least a yellow (if not a red) for his challenge on the EEW left back in the second half. Free kick and pen in the last 10 minutes to WPH ended up giving them the win anyway.
Strange, strange comment.
Agree re the Reserves ref though, he was shocking. (Although the one he called offside without checking with the AR was actually offside).
I'm guessing the comment is about the two blatant penalties not given earlier and plenty of free kicks not away see throughout the game.
The free kick was a definite free kick and the penalty awarded was flagged by the AR.
Genuinely don't remember the specific tackle you're talking about but perhaps my view was obscured by the bench but don't recall much of an issue being made of it.
In general just find that he struts around the pitch with total arrogance and acts like he is some sort of god out there, not talking to players or anything
The WPH player should have definitely got a yellow for the challenge you're referring to, but it wouldn't have changed anything. He was subbed immediately after anyway. There was at least one blatant penalty before the one that was given for WPH that was ignored.
In general though, ignoring WPH got this, EEW got this, the ref was just terrible. Hardly called a foul all game and there were challenges flying in. Many of them normally would be free kicks and everyone moves on, but he let them go, which then leads to a reaction and a worse challenge, frustration on the field etc. Not good for the game.
He was consistent on that front, but it geniunely could have been dangerous, as the players knew they could get away with anything.
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>The WPH player should have definitely got a yellow for the challenge you're referring to, but it wouldn't have changed anything. He was subbed immediately after anyway. There was at least one blatant penalty before the one that was given for WPH that was ignored.
>In general though, ignoring WPH got this, EEW got this, the ref was just terrible. Hardly called a foul all game and there were challenges flying in. Many of them normally would be free kicks and everyone moves on, but he let them go, which then leads to a reaction and a worse challenge, frustration on the field etc. Not good for the game.
>He was consistent on that front, but it geniunely could have been dangerous, as the players knew they could get away with anything.
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Yeah, I won't argue too much with what you've said there (the free kick and pen were both correct calls btw). Both sides will have their view of it, but we can agree that the refereeing was consistently terrible. It's a real shame given Grant was just watching on the sideline and Juice is nowhere to be seen (we've had him 1 game all year).
Unless they're not available for some reason, they need to be given the maximum number of games, especially the high stakes fixtures.
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>Young fella we had in our ressies game was great despite our poor performance
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4th comment about this ref. His name's Pale.
Top quality. It's not that there was anything particularly outstanding about what he did. he just did the basics very well. really good communication and was consistent. There was only one handball he got wrong and he said 'I might not have been in the right position there, sorry lads I'll do better'. that just speaks volume of the genuineness of the guy.
Again nothing outstanding and it's not to say the Ressies ref's we've had this season have been terribly awful either but there was a different class on Saturday that all at the game appreciated.
>>The WPH player should have definitely got a yellow for the challenge you're referring to, but it wouldn't have changed anything. He was subbed immediately after anyway. There was at least one blatant penalty before the one that was given for WPH that was ignored.
>>In general though, ignoring WPH got this, EEW got this, the ref was just terrible. Hardly called a foul all game and there were challenges flying in. Many of them normally would be free kicks and everyone moves on, but he let them go, which then leads to a reaction and a worse challenge, frustration on the field etc. Not good for the game.
>>He was consistent on that front, but it geniunely could have been dangerous, as the players knew they could get away with anything.
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>Yeah, I won't argue too much with what you've said there (the free kick and pen were both correct calls btw). Both sides will have their view of it, but we can agree that the refereeing was consistently terrible. It's a real shame given Grant was just watching on the sideline and Juice is nowhere to be seen (we've had him 1 game all year).
>Unless they're not available for some reason, they need to be given the maximum number of games, especially the high stakes fixtures.
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For semi's I'm struggling to figure out why Grant is given a SL Ressies game (assuming the above comment is correct). Makes you wonder whether power-ball determines who gets appointed to games and whether the refs assoc. know who their best refs are
Grant is a decent bloke and calls it the way he sees it.
He gets a few Epping/ STA games cause i think he lives that way.
To the comment about why he got Super League? - Not sure, but perhaps they were trying new guys out. Either way, i'm pretty sure there is a lady who does the appointments for the Refs.
Tell me you're from Saints without telling me you're from Saints.
We've only had Grant against Hawks and Saints this year. Judging by Rock's comment above, this has to be a salty Saints player that refuses to believe that Vince is anything other than a nutjob.
Would have loved to have seen Vince rock up to the judiciary ready to plead his case to see the ref that marched him also in charge of the judiciary haha
Grant has definitely been one of the better refs over the years but I do somewhat agree he has regressed slightly the last two years. Could just be luck of the particular matches we had him for. Not everyone is perfect and I would take him over a lot of the other referees.
Agree with an above comment I think Juice is the best
There was one particular female ref, early 20's, long dark hair, that did PL the last 2-3 years that I thought was the best of the lot by some distance but not seen her this year.
Guessing she was fast tracked? I'm assuming that people on here would know who I'm talking about.
Not seen Juice ref as he will never do WPH for obvious reasons but not surprised he's right up there as obviously very knowledgeable about the game at the appropriate level.
>There was one particular female ref, early 20's, long dark hair, that did PL the last 2-3 years that I thought was the best of the lot by some distance but not seen her this year.
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>Guessing she was fast tracked? I'm assuming that people on here would know who I'm talking about.
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>Not seen Juice ref as he will never do WPH for obvious reasons but not surprised he's right up there as obviously very knowledgeable about the game at the appropriate level.
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are you serious
she was useless
thought the whole game revolved around
was very rude to players
im glad shes fucked off, not the type of ref we want in this association
>There was one particular female ref, early 20's, long dark hair, that did PL the last 2-3 years that I thought was the best of the lot by some distance but not seen her this year.
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>Guessing she was fast tracked? I'm assuming that people on here would know who I'm talking about.
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>Not seen Juice ref as he will never do WPH for obvious reasons but not surprised he's right up there as obviously very knowledgeable about the game at the appropriate level.
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Pretty sure she did the Tigers vs St Pats game on the weekend. Had dark hair now has changed her hair to blonde.
How has Hatty not gotten stick for his non-existent performance in the Grand FInal on the weekend. Was also howling like a donkey for one of Penno's players to get sent off when he clipped the keeper of the rebound from the penalty. Useless player he is, the centre backs and left back had him on toast the whole match!
Every club should be investing n video cameras because if it wasn't for the video footage that disproved the linesmen's report, Hatty would have been out for a long time.
Want to know how to keep the refs association accountable? Start filming games and sending them through.
>How has Hatty not gotten stick for his non-existent performance in the Grand FInal on the weekend. Was also howling like a donkey for one of Penno's players to get sent off when he clipped the keeper of the rebound from the penalty. Useless player he is, the centre backs and left back had him on toast the whole match!
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what is your obsession with this bloke, its weird
made a whole thread about him and mentioning specific incidents about him days later
Curious George
wrote on 03-Aug-23 09:11What happened to Hatty from WRR.
Why did he get sent?
Strange for him to get marched, one of the decent blokes in this comp.
Good riddance
wrote on 03-Aug-23 09:15He called the linseman a f&cking c*nt for an offside call that wasn't even called against him. The funniest thing I've seen.
Thanks for letting us take the win Hatty. Your team thanks you for missing out on fianls football.
I agree
wrote on 09-Aug-23 07:21Thinks he can swear at an official and get away with it, the fat fucking loser got 5 weeks hahaha
The whole Rovers squad is a bunch of whinging abusive cry baby's too. Complain about every decision made and give it to everyone else whenever something goes their way. They're fucking terrible people.
Even their supporters are the worst. A bunch of fat neck beard Bikie losers.
Ironic
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>The whole Rovers squad is a bunch of whinging abusive cry baby's too. Complain about every decision made and give it to everyone else whenever something goes their way. They're fucking terrible people.
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>Even their supporters are the worst. A bunch of fat neck beard Bikie losers.
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You know you can see match reports from ARs right ? Sounds very familiar to what was written in there.
Imagine going on an annoymous forum to complain about an incident that happened 2 weeks ago then calling somebody else a loser, get on with your life mate.
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>>The whole Rovers squad is a bunch of whinging abusive cry baby's too. Complain about every decision made and give it to everyone else whenever something goes their way. They're fucking terrible people.
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>>Even their supporters are the worst. A bunch of fat neck beard Bikie losers.
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>You know you can see match reports from ARs right ? Sounds very familiar to what was written in there.
>Imagine going on an annoymous forum to complain about an incident that happened 2 weeks ago then calling somebody else a loser, get on with your life mate.
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Imagine thinking a 16 year linesman is going to know about this forum, let alone post in it... Spectators could hear what exactly was said from the canteen area. Nice deflecting
THE ROCK
wrote on 09-Aug-23 09:37From my experience he's a competitive guy, but that doesn't sound like him.
Surely this has been "stretched".
Although to be brutally honest, the Reffing this year is so inconsistent. I've seen red's this year that in prior seasons were play on.
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>Surely this has been "stretched".
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The Linesman wasnt 16 and the middle ref didnt hear it as he had to be called over by said linesman but those people at the canteen could hear it apparently.
If thats what was said you cant have many complaints but the guy above is posting a very different narative to what actually happened.
Good riddance
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>>Surely this has been "stretched".
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>If thats what was said you cant have many complaints but the guy above is posting a very different narative to what actually happened.
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Not sure whether you're being serious or not.
What actually happened then? Because what was posted above was pretty much exactly what happened.
Rovers always the victims, never can take responsbility.
THE ROCK
wrote on 09-Aug-23 12:17I am being serious. Hatty, whilst competitive wouldnt go after a young linesman.
Just my 2c and going off the past 10 years playing against the guy at Ravens and WRR.
Seems very out of character IMO.
Manager
wrote on 09-Aug-23 12:57I am the Dragons manager and was in the technical area, not far from where he got sent off.
I didn't hear it
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wrote on 09-Aug-23 13:42THE ROCK wrote:
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>From my experience he's a competitive guy, but that doesn't sound like him.
>Surely this has been "stretched".
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I tend to agree with your last sentence. The refereeing has been totally inconsistent and I don't think there is clear training given to refs around how to handle situations.
I get that the ref being attacked at the start of the season was a good awareness week of referee abuse but holy moley are we getting to a stage where refs can't distinguish what is violent conduct, what is abuse or just frustration or what's studs up compared to a late tackle.
Absolutely embarrassing. And then you have your good refs who ref the game the way it should and everyone gets confused because what was a send off the week before is only a caution or a talking to.
There are literally only 4 outstanding consistent refs in the comp and half the time they don't ref this comp. The rest are a roll of a dice whether you will get an okay performance or a down-right awful one.
No Fellatio
wrote on 10-Aug-23 09:11What happened to the ref earlier in the season? I get no abuse etc is acceptable (verbal or physical) but some refs come to a game expecting everyone to agree with every decision and for tempers not to flare at all which is very egotistical and naive of them to think everyone is just going to be super calm. Its a bunch of of men playing passionately with their blood up. If they can't handle a bit of passion. They don't want to hear a bar of what you're saying even when you try and calmly explain to them, they're also amateurs so should be more receptive to what the players are trying to communicate. But yeah what happened to the ref earlier in the year?
The worst ref by far was Mal that we have had this year
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wrote on 10-Aug-23 11:28I think they are talking about the Bankstown ref that got bashed after Easter.
Mal Arnold refereeing PL is gotta to be the most disgraceful thing to happen for our comp. I rather a spectator ref than him.
You have refs who blow 40+ fouls a game and have no idea how to flow a game, you have some refs who have a cry if you speak to them, you have some refs who can barely get out of the half-way line. And then you have some refs who just can't ref at all.
It's not a great reflection on our assoication or even our refs association.
Scotty
wrote on 10-Aug-23 11:59This conversation has gone a bit off topic, can we please bring it back to how much of a cunt Scott Hatfield is?
I disagree with Rock, after playing against Hatfield over the last 10 years I think abusing a junior ref is exactly the type of thing that guy would do. Not at all surprised hes cost his team the game by being a moron
Look in the mirror
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>Mal Arnold refereeing PL is gotta to be the most disgraceful thing to happen for our comp. I rather a spectator ref than him.
>You have refs who blow 40+ fouls a game and have no idea how to flow a game, you have some refs who have a cry if you speak to them, you have some refs who can barely get out of the half-way line. And then you have some refs who just can't ref at all.
>It's not a great reflection on our assoication or even our refs association.
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More like it's not a good reflection on why you don't have quality refs because why would you when players continue to sook, abuse and be disrespectful. Most referees understand the difference between player frustration and decent. Most players don't understand this difference and cross the line all too often. We don't have good ref is maybe because they're sick of it. There will always be different styles of refs.
Wrong
wrote on 11-Aug-23 11:12You've got it backwards. The only refs who get abused constantly are the terrible ones. It's not a hard connection to make. If you're a referee who's constantly getting stick from multiple different players from multiple different teams week in and week out, I hate to break it to you, but the problem isn't the players having an "attitude problem" it's YOU having an "inconsistent, bias or incompetent problem".
This association has some great refs who have been here for years and years. You know why they've lasted so long? Because they are good at their job and as a result they are respected by the players. They know the difference between a physically dominant challenge and a reckless challenge, they can distinguish the line between when a player is abusive or simply venting some frustration, they have the ability to let a game flow and not make it all about them on some sort of a power trip, they allow players to have discourse with them without taking it as a personal insult, they explain their decisions when questioned without waving their hand in your face and telling you to go away, they officiate in a way that protects player safety instead of letting wild challenges go.
Some of the best ref's I have seen have barely been noticeable on the field and that includes in games that were fiery and physical. I understand, just like players, referees have different personalities and that affects the way they officiate but you can't come on here whinging if it's happening week in and week out if you're unwilling to modify the way you ref. If you had an office job and you're constantly being told you need to improve your performance the solution is to do a better job, not complain that everyone is being too mean to you especially when some of your colleagues are having no issues and are smashing it.
and before the inevitable comment of "we'll go do a referee course if you think it's that easy". You don't need to be a ref to know what a bad one looks like. Just like you don't need to be a player to know what a shit one looks like.
Agree
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>You've got it backwards. The only refs who get abused constantly are the terrible ones. It's not a hard connection to make. If you're a referee who's constantly getting stick from multiple different players from multiple different teams week in and week out, I hate to break it to you, but the problem isn't the players having an "attitude problem" it's YOU having an "inconsistent, bias or incompetent problem".
>This association has some great refs who have been here for years and years. You know why they've lasted so long? Because they are good at their job and as a result they are respected by the players. They know the difference between a physically dominant challenge and a reckless challenge, they can distinguish the line between when a player is abusive or simply venting some frustration, they have the ability to let a game flow and not make it all about them on some sort of a power trip, they allow players to have discourse with them without taking it as a personal insult, they explain their decisions when questioned without waving their hand in your face and telling you to go away, they officiate in a way that protects player safety instead of letting wild challenges go.
>Some of the best ref's I have seen have barely been noticeable on the field and that includes in games that were fiery and physical. I understand, just like players, referees have different personalities and that affects the way they officiate but you can't come on here whinging if it's happening week in and week out if you're unwilling to modify the way you ref. If you had an office job and you're constantly being told you need to improve your performance the solution is to do a better job, not complain that everyone is being too mean to you especially when some of your colleagues are having no issues and are smashing it.
>and before the inevitable comment of "we'll go do a referee course if you think it's that easy". You don't need to be a ref to know what a bad one looks like. Just like you don't need to be a player to know what a shit one looks like.
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I absolutely agree with you. I find though the incompotent refs are the older ones that have just been around for too long. They were once compotent but nowadays they simply up to the mark and that brings up more frustration and not knowing how to handle the situation like they use to.
What's concerning is that Generation Z have pretty weak resilience and attutide problems. The next 10 years of refereeing could be worse with our Gen Z refs coming through. A little bit of lip and they will go crazy. Already finding some of the younger ones doing ressies simply have no idea how to handle criticism or even know how to flow a game. And if all they have in training is simply looking up to an older First Grade shitty ref, then what kind of inspiration does that spark?
Average players
wrote on 11-Aug-23 12:30Still missing the point aren't you. So a couple of good ones are still around. Will more replace them in time? Keep abusing refs and you'll have no one let alone a crap one. I've seen some refs do reserves and 1sts this year which to me indicates a shortage when they are doubling up for PL games. As for quality, the quality of players is far worse than the quality of referees.
As for gen z, maybe not as resilient, maybe not as tolerant of morons who don't shut up, sook and question every 30 seconds who can't string 2 passes together let alone judge application of the LOTG. Name me a work place that abuses employees the way refs are abused (aside from the odd caveman worksite).
Ref
wrote on 11-Aug-23 14:08Juice is by far the best ref.
Reidy has gotten worse in recent years I have felt.
A couple of the young guys aren't terrible.
Mal and Maxworthy are up there as the worst and so is the old receded guy
Over the Head
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>As for gen z, maybe not as resilient, maybe not as tolerant of morons who don't shut up, sook and question every 30 seconds who can't string 2 passes together let alone judge application of the LOTG. Name me a work place that abuses employees the way refs are abused (aside from the odd caveman worksite).
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As far as I can tell, your point is "don't be mean to the refs because we barely have enough as it is and we'll soon have none". Am I mistaken? It's a sad position to take for this association if you have to accept that a shit ref is better than no ref at all but that's a whole other argument.
You also missed the analogy of doing a shit job and getting grilled for it. In that case the people "abusing" the ref isn't the employee it's the customers. The refs aren't getting critisied by the people who employ them they're being criticised by the people they are serving (the players) and if you do a shit job your customers are sure as hell going to tell you. So if you're being told multiple times by your customers "you are really shitting the bed week in and week out and it's not good enough" and your response is "it's not me, you're whinging too much, you need to just suck it up and deal with it, what would you rather, a bad customer service experience or none at all?" If that's your honest response instead of trying to modify how you work then you need to pull your head out of your ass, check your ego and accept you need to do better.
Don't get this confused, there's a huge difference between criticism and out and out abuse (which I do not condone at all). Swearing at a ref, threatening them or personally attacking them is not what I'm referring to. I'm referencing being critical of their performance and questioning their judgement, that is not abuse and from my experience ref's generally are overly sensitive and, in some cases, downright abrasive and dismissive when confronted about it. A one off shit game by a ref, hell even a few, most players will just cop on the chin as a part of the territory with officiating. But this has become so regular that we know even before the game kicks off how it will go depending on what ref is there. Phrases like "ok lads *insert ref name* is doing our game, we know what they're like so don't expect any calls for shit challenges", or "it's *insert ref* in the middle today so don't even say a single word or you'll get carded because we know they like to make the game all about them"
is there not something sad/wrong in your eyes about that?
Sadness personified
wrote on 12-Aug-23 17:51We all play, ref and spectate park football.
It's all just a bit of fun at the end of the day. Can't we all be friends?
No clue
wrote on 13-Aug-23 07:29> Swearing at a ref, threatening them or personally attacking them is not what I'm referring to. I'm referencing being critical of their performance and questioning their judgement
LOL... name me a single time where a player has had a decision go against them (whether the ref was mistaken or not) and the player's feedback was a polite piece of constructive criticism. You and I both know that that isn't what happens.
The fact that you think it is acceptable to hurl abuse and complaints at a ref (and, apparently, any other employee at a workplace) if they happen to make a bad decision speaks far more about you than them.
Let's face it, we're playing park football. In the same way that players make loads of mistakes in a game, refs at this level are going to do the same. We (the players) need to have the discipline to accept the decision and get on with it. Pissing and moaning to the ref about every poor decision is simply poor discipline and it is beyond time that players (and coaches) looked inwardly at the way they behave.
Quality
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>Mal Arnold refereeing PL is gotta to be the most disgraceful thing to happen for our comp. I rather a spectator ref than him.
>You have refs who blow 40+ fouls a game and have no idea how to flow a game, you have some refs who have a cry if you speak to them, you have some refs who can barely get out of the half-way line. And then you have some refs who just can't ref at all.
>It's not a great reflection on our assoication or even our refs association.
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Was at ELS Hall yesterday watching both Ressies and Firsts and the Ressies ref was leaps and bounds the best ref I've seen this year. Everything you've mentioned in your post, this young bloke did to perfection.
His communication with players, his respect, looked like he was joking and having fun with the players, handled hot headed players with calmness, consistent with his decision making. Everything that the firsts ref wasn't in the game after.
In a season where average refereeing has been the norm, it was refreshing to see common sense reffing.
Btw where's Juice? Hasn't reffed us at all this season. Did he take the year off?
Agree
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>>Mal Arnold refereeing PL is gotta to be the most disgraceful thing to happen for our comp. I rather a spectator ref than him.
>>You have refs who blow 40+ fouls a game and have no idea how to flow a game, you have some refs who have a cry if you speak to them, you have some refs who can barely get out of the half-way line. And then you have some refs who just can't ref at all.
>>It's not a great reflection on our assoication or even our refs association.
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>Was at ELS Hall yesterday watching both Ressies and Firsts and the Ressies ref was leaps and bounds the best ref I've seen this year. Everything you've mentioned in your post, this young bloke did to perfection.
His communication with players, his respect, looked like he was joking and having fun with the players, handled hot headed players with calmness, consistent with his decision making. Everything that the firsts ref wasn't in the game after.
In a season where average refereeing has been the norm, it was refreshing to see common sense reffing.
Btw where's Juice? Hasn't reffed us at all this season. Did he take the year off?
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Agree the young guy was good much better than the 1sts one. Should be doing 1sts with that performance. We've had Juice this year think he's doing state league but now so doesn't do many association stuff as much. It's true what they say when you see who you've got for a game it's either a relief should be a good game or great here we go with another numpty
TTTC
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>LOL... name me a single time where a player has had a decision go against them (whether the ref was mistaken or not) and the player's feedback was a polite piece of constructive criticism. You and I both know that that isn't what happens.
>The fact that you think it is acceptable to hurl abuse and complaints at a ref (and, apparently, any other employee at a workplace) if they happen to make a bad decision speaks far more about you than them.
>Let's face it, we're playing park football. In the same way that players make loads of mistakes in a game, refs at this level are going to do the same. We (the players) need to have the discipline to accept the decision and get on with it. Pissing and moaning to the ref about every poor decision is simply poor discipline and it is beyond time that players (and coaches) looked inwardly at the way they behave.
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Firstly you can't honestly say you have never seen a player and referee have a civil discussion when they disagree about a decision. It happens all the time and you know it, don't act as if everyone are grubs who just want to yell at referees all game. I can't speak for everyone but I'd much rather referees be seen and not heard. The less impact you have on the game the better. Most players would rather not even know they are there.
Secondly abuse and complaints are two very different things. As you conviniently ignored, I'm not condoning any sort of abuse towards ref's (or employees), I'm speaking to the instances of referees who can't even accept criticism of their judgement or performance and take it as abuse. The ones who are so clearly stuck in their ways, egotistical and refuse to change despite the amount of times they are being told they are doing a poor job. Again, seeing as you struggle to comprehend last time, I am not condoning providing this feedback as yelling and screaming either champ. I'm referring to the countless times they have been approached after decisions, at half time or at the end of the game by either players or coaching staff and flat out being told to "shut up" "go away" "I don't want to hear it" " I don't care" or having a hand waved in your face. This is not how you garner respect from players coaches and supporters, and the irony of refs saying things to players that, if said back to them, would get a player sent to the bin for 10 is not lost on anyone.
The player base is sure as hell not perfect angels but don't claim for a second that the referees don't have the ability to impact the way they are treated either. When a game is officiated well and consistently, players are given respect and protected there is a direct cause and effect with how people react to you.
This is a two way street, both parties need to look inward, self-reflect and improve their standards in this league. No one wants to end up like some of these leagues where there are punch-on's every 2nd week and there are no referees at all.
Damn
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>>>Mal Arnold refereeing PL is gotta to be the most disgraceful thing to happen for our comp. I rather a spectator ref than him.
>>>You have refs who blow 40+ fouls a game and have no idea how to flow a game, you have some refs who have a cry if you speak to them, you have some refs who can barely get out of the half-way line. And then you have some refs who just can't ref at all.
>>>It's not a great reflection on our assoication or even our refs association.
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>>Was at ELS Hall yesterday watching both Ressies and Firsts and the Ressies ref was leaps and bounds the best ref I've seen this year. Everything you've mentioned in your post, this young bloke did to perfection.
His communication with players, his respect, looked like he was joking and having fun with the players, handled hot headed players with calmness, consistent with his decision making. Everything that the firsts ref wasn't in the game after.
In a season where average refereeing has been the norm, it was refreshing to see common sense reffing.
Btw where's Juice? Hasn't reffed us at all this season. Did he take the year off?
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Makes sense that the best ref in the comp gets poached to do State League. That's a huge loss on our association.
Agree though about the ressies ref. He's been doing ressies now for the last 3 or 4 years that I can remember. Absolute quality for a while and a top bloke off the field. Clear candidate to ref the Grand Final.
You wonder what it takes to ref first grade...
Joke
wrote on 13-Aug-23 11:34The two refs at Penno yesterday were dreadful.
And I say this despite Lions winning both games so it ain't sour grapes.
bloke in reserves barely left middle third of the pitch. Disallowed a goal for offside despite being nowhere near the play and without even speaking to the AR who was in line and kept flag down.
First grade was worse. Knew when I saw who it was he would make himself the star of the show and didn't disappoint. Did his best to get Tigers over the line but fortunately there were two AR's who knew how to do their job.
Meanwhile Reidy is on the side watching.....
Who makes these appointments??
Locked in
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>And I say this despite Lions winning both games so it ain't sour grapes.
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>bloke in reserves barely left middle third of the pitch. Disallowed a goal for offside despite being nowhere near the play and without even speaking to the AR who was in line and kept flag down.
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>First grade was worse. Knew when I saw who it was he would make himself the star of the show and didn't disappoint. Did his best to get Tigers over the line but fortunately there were two AR's who knew how to do their job.
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>Meanwhile Reidy is on the side watching.....
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>Who makes these appointments??
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They probably already have the refs for next week and the gf pencilled in like yesterday. Can't give every game to the same ones. Let's hope they get it right for the remainder.
Same convos
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>And I say this despite Lions winning both games so it ain't sour grapes.
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>bloke in reserves barely left middle third of the pitch. Disallowed a goal for offside despite being nowhere near the play and without even speaking to the AR who was in line and kept flag down.
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>First grade was worse. Knew when I saw who it was he would make himself the star of the show and didn't disappoint. Did his best to get Tigers over the line but fortunately there were two AR's who knew how to do their job.
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I feel like the same conversations and posts are repeating itself from the year before. Remember some pretty bang-average refs being picked for sudden death finals football last season and that being the main talk.
3 out of the 4 refs being labeled as average or incompetent this weekend is not a great look. And the irony is, the good ref that did well will probably be never seen again and the other 3 will play some part in finals football for the next 2 weekends. You couldn't even make this up but guarantee it will happen.
It's been said on here a couple of times but you simply know as a player whether you'll get a fair, decent game when you see who is centre reffing ya. Bring back the feedback cards I say. Surely teams can provide constructive feedback that can help paint a picture for the refs association as to who is good and who is not.
THE ROCK
wrote on 13-Aug-23 20:06Average players wrote:
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>Still missing the point aren't you. So a couple of good ones are still around. Will more replace them in time? Keep abusing refs and you'll have no one let alone a crap one. I've seen some refs do reserves and 1sts this year which to me indicates a shortage when they are doubling up for PL games. As for quality, the quality of players is far worse than the quality of referees.
>As for gen z, maybe not as resilient, maybe not as tolerant of morons who don't shut up, sook and question every 30 seconds who can't string 2 passes together let alone judge application of the LOTG. Name me a work place that abuses employees the way refs are abused (aside from the odd caveman worksite).
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I think the point he was trying to make was if you are good, you won't get a complaint.
If you are consistently bad, you will get multiple complaints.
Either way, i know there are a lack of refs this year. And you can't go grab any ref and stick them into the first grade or ressies of PL without experience.
Lets keep in mind that one of the best thing that makes the assocation great over others is the fact that typically you will get 2-3 refs per game.
Like how many times over the past 5 years can you think of when you havent had 3 refs? I can count on 1 hand.
BUT I will say, swearing is part of the game. There is a difference to swearing in frustration and swearing at someone(which is considered abuse). This needs to be explained to all officials and players.
The Big Dog
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>bloke in reserves barely left middle third of the pitch. Disallowed a goal for offside despite being nowhere near the play and without even speaking to the AR who was in line and kept flag down.
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>First grade was worse. Knew when I saw who it was he would make himself the star of the show and didn't disappoint. Did his best to get Tigers over the line but fortunately there were two AR's who knew how to do their job.
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Can you expand a little on "Did his best to get Tigers over the line"? He was equally bad for both sides and refused to show a card to either team and the WPH #31 should've seen at least a yellow (if not a red) for his challenge on the EEW left back in the second half. Free kick and pen in the last 10 minutes to WPH ended up giving them the win anyway.
Strange, strange comment.
Agree re the Reserves ref though, he was shocking. (Although the one he called offside without checking with the AR was actually offside).
First grade ref
wrote on 14-Aug-23 07:22I'm guessing the comment is about the two blatant penalties not given earlier and plenty of free kicks not away see throughout the game.
The free kick was a definite free kick and the penalty awarded was flagged by the AR.
Genuinely don't remember the specific tackle you're talking about but perhaps my view was obscured by the bench but don't recall much of an issue being made of it.
In general just find that he struts around the pitch with total arrogance and acts like he is some sort of god out there, not talking to players or anything
First Grade Ref
wrote on 14-Aug-23 09:30The WPH player should have definitely got a yellow for the challenge you're referring to, but it wouldn't have changed anything. He was subbed immediately after anyway. There was at least one blatant penalty before the one that was given for WPH that was ignored.
In general though, ignoring WPH got this, EEW got this, the ref was just terrible. Hardly called a foul all game and there were challenges flying in. Many of them normally would be free kicks and everyone moves on, but he let them go, which then leads to a reaction and a worse challenge, frustration on the field etc. Not good for the game.
He was consistent on that front, but it geniunely could have been dangerous, as the players knew they could get away with anything.
The Big Dog
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>In general though, ignoring WPH got this, EEW got this, the ref was just terrible. Hardly called a foul all game and there were challenges flying in. Many of them normally would be free kicks and everyone moves on, but he let them go, which then leads to a reaction and a worse challenge, frustration on the field etc. Not good for the game.
>He was consistent on that front, but it geniunely could have been dangerous, as the players knew they could get away with anything.
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Yeah, I won't argue too much with what you've said there (the free kick and pen were both correct calls btw). Both sides will have their view of it, but we can agree that the refereeing was consistently terrible. It's a real shame given Grant was just watching on the sideline and Juice is nowhere to be seen (we've had him 1 game all year).
Unless they're not available for some reason, they need to be given the maximum number of games, especially the high stakes fixtures.
Ravens
wrote on 14-Aug-23 11:11Reiddy and Emeleus reffed both our Super League semi's on the weekend. From the sounds of it, glad we got them and not the naughties at Penno.
Reiddy must have gone over to Penno after reffing our Ressies.
Pennant Hills FC guy
wrote on 14-Aug-23 11:24Young fella we had in our ressies game was great despite our poor performance
Rovers
wrote on 14-Aug-23 11:53Pennant Hills FC guy wrote:
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4th comment about this ref. His name's Pale.
Top quality. It's not that there was anything particularly outstanding about what he did. he just did the basics very well. really good communication and was consistent. There was only one handball he got wrong and he said 'I might not have been in the right position there, sorry lads I'll do better'. that just speaks volume of the genuineness of the guy.
Again nothing outstanding and it's not to say the Ressies ref's we've had this season have been terribly awful either but there was a different class on Saturday that all at the game appreciated.
Pondering...
wrote on 14-Aug-23 12:39The Big Dog wrote:
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>>In general though, ignoring WPH got this, EEW got this, the ref was just terrible. Hardly called a foul all game and there were challenges flying in. Many of them normally would be free kicks and everyone moves on, but he let them go, which then leads to a reaction and a worse challenge, frustration on the field etc. Not good for the game.
>>He was consistent on that front, but it geniunely could have been dangerous, as the players knew they could get away with anything.
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>Yeah, I won't argue too much with what you've said there (the free kick and pen were both correct calls btw). Both sides will have their view of it, but we can agree that the refereeing was consistently terrible. It's a real shame given Grant was just watching on the sideline and Juice is nowhere to be seen (we've had him 1 game all year).
>Unless they're not available for some reason, they need to be given the maximum number of games, especially the high stakes fixtures.
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For semi's I'm struggling to figure out why Grant is given a SL Ressies game (assuming the above comment is correct). Makes you wonder whether power-ball determines who gets appointed to games and whether the refs assoc. know who their best refs are
No Fellatio
wrote on 14-Aug-23 12:46Grant has been shite the last year. Very biased, helps Epping Eastwood out a lot, i wonder why
THE ROCK
wrote on 15-Aug-23 09:29Pull your head in.
Grant is a decent bloke and calls it the way he sees it.
He gets a few Epping/ STA games cause i think he lives that way.
To the comment about why he got Super League? - Not sure, but perhaps they were trying new guys out. Either way, i'm pretty sure there is a lady who does the appointments for the Refs.
Bought
wrote on 15-Aug-23 09:44you pull your head in
He is so bought by the Tigers everyone knows it
Tigers
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Tell me you're from Saints without telling me you're from Saints.
We've only had Grant against Hawks and Saints this year. Judging by Rock's comment above, this has to be a salty Saints player that refuses to believe that Vince is anything other than a nutjob.
Cry me a river
Karma
wrote on 15-Aug-23 12:56Would have loved to have seen Vince rock up to the judiciary ready to plead his case to see the ref that marched him also in charge of the judiciary haha
Pennant Hills FC guy
wrote on 15-Aug-23 13:45Grant has definitely been one of the better refs over the years but I do somewhat agree he has regressed slightly the last two years. Could just be luck of the particular matches we had him for. Not everyone is perfect and I would take him over a lot of the other referees.
Agree with an above comment I think Juice is the best
Female ref
wrote on 15-Aug-23 17:50There was one particular female ref, early 20's, long dark hair, that did PL the last 2-3 years that I thought was the best of the lot by some distance but not seen her this year.
Guessing she was fast tracked? I'm assuming that people on here would know who I'm talking about.
Not seen Juice ref as he will never do WPH for obvious reasons but not surprised he's right up there as obviously very knowledgeable about the game at the appropriate level.
Blonde
wrote on 16-Aug-23 08:15The blonde ref is a belter. Looking I mean
crazy
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>Not seen Juice ref as he will never do WPH for obvious reasons but not surprised he's right up there as obviously very knowledgeable about the game at the appropriate level.
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are you serious
she was useless
thought the whole game revolved around
was very rude to players
im glad shes fucked off, not the type of ref we want in this association
THE ROCK
wrote on 17-Aug-23 10:28Pretty sure you are referring to the lady who is in charge of the Refs association.
Ref roster
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Pretty sure she's in charge of the referee rostering. Probably rostered herself to a final haha
Changed
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Pretty sure she did the Tigers vs St Pats game on the weekend. Had dark hair now has changed her hair to blonde.
She was fantastic on the weekend.
Answered
wrote on 21-Aug-23 14:26She's always been a blonde
I think the above is a different ref
Useless
wrote on 30-Aug-23 09:40How has Hatty not gotten stick for his non-existent performance in the Grand FInal on the weekend. Was also howling like a donkey for one of Penno's players to get sent off when he clipped the keeper of the rebound from the penalty. Useless player he is, the centre backs and left back had him on toast the whole match!
Filming
wrote on 30-Aug-23 11:33Every club should be investing n video cameras because if it wasn't for the video footage that disproved the linesmen's report, Hatty would have been out for a long time.
Want to know how to keep the refs association accountable? Start filming games and sending them through.
Watcher
wrote on 30-Aug-23 15:03Speaking of filming, why weren't the grand finals live streamed?
Wrong date
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the camera people had the weekend off because Cooper booked him the previous week.
What a joke
wrote on 30-Aug-23 17:14F'ing amateurs this association
whats going on
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what is your obsession with this bloke, its weird
made a whole thread about him and mentioning specific incidents about him days later
noone cares