For 2010 we are considering a Best Defence Award for both PL 1st and reserve grades. The key has to be simplicity for Admin. So with this in mind, opinions are being sought on a practical model. These options are put forward for discussion.


Model 1: Golden Glove - prize to be awarded to GK with most clean sheets, based on nominations submitted each week by their team rep (similar to Golden Boot)

Model 2: Best Defensive Player - prize to be awarded to the player who has the most nominations as such by their team rep (similar to Golden Boot, will require a single concensus report each week)

Model 3: Best Defensive Team - prize awarded to the team which has the least goals scored against it at end of competition rounds (then leave it to team management to decide who might get the individual prize at end of season).


Would appreciate your opinions. All this is predicated on getting sufficient interest from teams in submitting the details to Admin each week.

i think it could be too hard to get this information regularly. We can't even get GB details from all the teams. Those spastics PHD and EEW are not interested in doing this.


An alternative may be the following:
The referee's submit a 3,2,1 for each grade. Give it to the winning team at the end of the game when the Team sheet is signed. (if PHD or EEW are playing, then give it to the other team). We may also be able to get the GHFA to change the PL team sheet to have this at the bottom of the sheet and make it "official".

Just my opinion...

Now that would be harder than admin's proposal. No point in getting a refs opinion on best 'defence' awards. Ref's award needs to come from GHFA and not that this a dig at the refs but they have enough on their plate doing their job let alone deciding on a 3,2,1 at the end of each game.

If PHD and EEW are not interested then that's their loss or should I say their players loss. Whilst it would be great for this to be official, this is an unofficial site and thus so are the awards hencing missing teams (PHD and EEW) is not that bigger deal especially when there is 80% data collected irrespective of accuracy.

I like the golden glove idea (of course I would) and whilst total clean sheets is not necessarily a reflection of a goal keeper there isn't too many other methods of comparison.

If we did the best defensive team then the winning team decided to give the award to the appropriate player then this would be a replacement for best defensive player.

Best defensive player is difficult and the model given is more reflective of a teams own internal award system just specific to defensive players. Other than GB discerning between other field players is difficult. Rather a general players player would be better encompassing all players. Also I don't know about other teams but we essentially have he same back four/three every game so much change week in week out.

Golden glove award can be the only fair result with the best team defensive second option but teams voting on their own best defensive player is a bad option.

The keeper deserves a chance at some accolades rather than the usually he let in a goal that costs us the game comments!

I like option 3 as the least goal = best defense and then management can decide how they allocate the prize(s).

Or you could do most clean sheets as every team can have a blow out game every now and then

there should be an Assist leader award. you can't score goals if no one gives you the ball.
think how shit bozz would be if he didn't have the team he does to give him tap ins week in week out

if you pass it to a player and he has less then 3 touches before scoring thats your assist. unless it's a perfect through ball where he is one on one with the keeper.

Golden Glove and Best Defensive Team get my votes.

I'm also a fan of an Assist award too.

Interesting Daniel, although this aint the NBA with multiple statisticians and video replays - most teams will struggle remembering. I would be happy to have Boz in my team even if he only 'tapped in' all of those goals - I wouldnt care where they came from - problem is he aint over 35.

IMO the only fair model is the third. Best team defence. This rewards a team, not an individual, especially because we play a team game. Dont know about everyone else's team selections here, but I have usually been involved (playing and coaching) in teams that have put our best stopper on the opposition's gun striker. Awarding a games 'best defender' opens up the debate whether the best defender did a good job on their gun, or our lesser defender did a good job on their 'other' striker. Who is to say both defenders both didnt both do a great job - you can only mark/compete against what you are assigned to do.

Also, the only problem with golden glove awards (although keepers do need more loving) is the fact that the better teams' keepers will be at a distinct advantage. I know the comp seems to be getting closer as far as weekly competition is concerned, but playing for one of the better teams, on a day when everything 'clicks' in atatck, means their keeper will do SFA.

Take for example PEN over THL in the first round last year. I didnt see that game, but in a scoreline as such, isnt it very possible that the THL keeper actually had a fair game? Having 7 goals against you may not reflect the fact that you could have made twice as many great saves, as the winning teams keeper, that was rarely sighted. The same inequity is posible in a 2-2 draw. One team may have only had two attacks aginst the play and scored both, whereas the other team hit the bar 8 times - it isnt a balanced model IMO.

I agree the most assists would fall flat quickly i'd imagine but this is where an iniative like player of the year voted on by the referee's would be best. If a ref is watching the game as he should it wouldn't be difficult for him to do a 321 on his mathc report.

Agree with you there mate, a clean sheet does not necessarily mean the losing keeper didn't perform better on the day.

The clean sheet award could be a factor in deciding the best defence at the end of the year, along with least goals conceded. Perhaps a team gets a negative point for each goal they concede, but a clean sheet counts for 3 positive points.

The team with the least negative points (or most positive as the case may be) at the end of the year wins the best defence award.

Regarding the individual keeping awards, perhaps the representatives from each club who provide the golden boot data could liaise with their coaches and pass on the players player or best and fairest 3 2 1 points to Admin?

From these points arguably you could ascertain who the best keeper is, as they will receive points, if they perform well on the day.

That said it might all be a bit too hard and somewhat hit and miss if people from various clubs don't provide this info.

Model 3 Is the only way.

The problem with a 3,2,1 system by the ref is that it will go to the well known players most of the time as the ref wont know all players.

This might in fact be an accurate representation of the best on field being the most well known guys but for us our players player the last couple of years went to players that most people from other clubs wouldnt know about.

mate, its not hard to ask your players at the end of the game who got the assists
i also agree with the ref selecting the 321.

i know it is just park football but i think we are heading in the right direction for Aus football to develop further.
when you look at football developed countries, they have about four leagues of professional televised games. and they all
had to start somewhere.
we are just a few decades behind them.....But who knows.....

Best defence:
this is easy to manage as at the end of the regular season the team with the least amount of goals scored against them gets awarded the prize. Simple. No admin over head as you can use the official GHFA table to check.

Most clean sheets award:
This would be awarded to the keeper who had the most clean sheets. It's not an indication on who is the best keeper, far from it, (which is similar to golden boot award - which isnt an indication of the best striker), but it does give credit to keepers who usually pride themselves on clean sheets.
Again, this is easy to manage - when scores are provided for the tipping comp, if it is a 3-0 to a team, you know that the clean sheet has happened for said team, and they get a point.

Other awards?
Coach of the year? Voted by a panel of players (only needs to be voted on at the end of the season. Again, simple with no admin over head)
Squad of the year? The team who has the best aggregate point results for the year over both first grade and reserve grade. Official GHFA table to be used.

We could just ask a ref or linesman before each game to give a man of the match or 321 score. Im sure they wouldnt mind

Refs Wrote:
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> We could just ask a ref or linesman before each
> game to give a man of the match or 321 score. Im
> sure they wouldnt mind

True, but it is an extra piece to the puzzle which im sure admin doesnt want to manage.

shouldnt we just keep the ref to being the official of the game. most of the time they cant get that right, so giving them the responsibility of judging 22 players would make their mind blows...
a better way would be both coaches from each team give a 321 on the game and add them up that way. this cancels out bias and also an outstanding performance could lead to 6 points. Most coaches would be fair im guessing.. and all coaches watch the game like a hawk.

yeah best defensive team award = least goals against
this idea is a winner and easy to implement.

I agree with Ref,

Let the coaches decide who gets the 3,2,1 points for there own teams and at the end of the season the best player in the comp is decided really.

Going one step further you could get the coaches to give a 3,2,1 for the opposing team. unlike what covers says you dont have to know a players name. they can say "number 5 from ravens" im sure JH will tell us on here who that particular player is.

problem with coaches doing a 3,2,1, is there can still be some bias.

If they have to select from all players, it will be bias towards their own players.

If they do it for the opposition only, you may get some mug at y (example only) who is the best in his team each week, but may not be the best player in the comp...

so you pointed out all the problems without any solutions?

Genius

daniel21 is an idiot.

Who cares about assists we dont play hockey and what if a guy knocks a long threw ball over the defence and the striker misses obnly for another trailing player to score. Does the striker that miss get an assist. Moron

I think option 3. But i think opposing teams should select best defender on best defences team.

Phantom 2010 - although in theory I like your idea of the opposition's coach doing a 3,2, 1 on a team, it does have inherent problems.

We had that system in State League (many years ago) for U19s and each coach/manager submitted the 3 player numbers to the ref on a pre-printed form that was attached with the ref's report.

Whilst our team's striker won it one particular year (and deservedly so), it was unfortunate that my club simply took the piss. We would submit the numbers of their players either willy nilly, or completely take the piss by giving their stopper's number who couldnt keep our striker quiet, or made a back pass that led to us scoring. Same happended if their keeper made a couple of howlers, we'd submit his number too.

Well if people are going to be morons about it then yes it wont work. Im just throwing out the ideas i guess. Never said it was fool proof.

....as stated Phanto, it is a great idea, I just believe that we would get morons taking the piss. Sad, but true.

Another problem is that EEW and PHD dont bother submitting their own team's goal scorers, so that factor alone would make this proposal inequitable. It is one thing to not include your own club's scorers, asit only effects players at your home club. The 3,2,1 best player system relies solely on ranking your opposition, hence putting whoever plays against those two clubs for example, at a distinct disadvantage.

But everyone playes them the same times Old Penno, just means that who over playes them won't get points but as everyone plays everyone the same amount of times it will work out

I disagree Duck. Although we all play against those two sides equally, this is an individual award and I can see a couple of inequities perhaps, in addition to some teams awarding 'piss take' votes. I believe the disparity in the points availability to the major factor, as it can very easily influence the outcome at the end of the season.

I know everyone plays everyone else the same amount of times etc, etc, but the problems lies with consistency of all players. I would suggest (hope) that more than two or three players from each team earns votes each week, therefore the issues pertain to players in your own team, as well as in others.

For example, if you and I were in the same team, I may have a blinder against EEW and be worthy of 3 points. I may also have a strong game against PHD and be worthy of 1 point. You may play crap against those two teams (sick, hungover or just having one of those days), yet absolutely cream all in front of you when we play NER and WPH for example. You may pick up a well deserved combined 4 points from those two fixtures.

This is where the inequity lies. All players generally have great, average and totally shit days at the office throughout a season. For 4 games throughout the season (versus EEW and PHD), whoever has a game worthy of points simply misses out. The total amount of points for one player from each team to 'earn' during these 4 fixtures is obviously 12 points.

Further inequity may occur if it turns out that PHD and EEW have extremely poor years and get pumped by the other 8 teams. You will find that each team has different players that will receive points in a very attacking, one sided drubbing, as opposed to a game that is a tight arm wrestle 0-0 draw. If a team were to beat EEW 6-0 in both times, I doubt many defenders or GK will figure in the points. Hence, you need all teams to be involved with the points system.

Whilst I understand that one player probably wont receive the maximum points for each of these 4 games, it is highly possible that one of a teams' better performers may pick up 6 - 10 points across 4 fixtures.

I believe the points tally at the end of a season would be close enough to suggest that only a few points will make the difference.

Will there be a handicap system for defenders who are vertically challenged and somewhat slow?

didn't know i had to give a solution phanton, dope.

Best defence is least goals scored against (team only - no golden glove)
Best player - ref's do 3,2,1 (it's the only way it will work)

There you go!!!!!

Refs wont do it because it is unoffical and not sanctioned by GHFA. GHFA gets wind of Refs doing it, they will stop it before you can say "god damn that Jessica alba is smoking hot"

But thank you for your input.