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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Excuses ()
Date: October 12, 2020 10:13PM

Player/spectator/friend, it doesn’t matter. It’s the type of people EEW attract and it’s been that way for years. Anyone who’s played at Boronia will understand that this is not a shocking thing to expect from their fans.
Even worse than KEN back at kp2 On their day, those idiots grew up under Power lines and could barely string 3 words together and still had better behaved fans.
You have gotten rid of a few bad influences in terms of players and have made attempts to clean up your image on the park but still have toxic fans. Like it or not within this association EEW is synonymous for “Grub”

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Keith Hackett ()
Date: October 13, 2020 06:49AM

GHFA after a name change to NWSF is still the same old same old..

Competition Fixtures are late..

Results are late as usual

It's already Tuesday and G Finals results are still un-published for the whole association.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Shame... ()
Date: October 13, 2020 08:10AM

It's such a shame that a gripping, great display of football for a Grand Final got ruined by one idiot. We should be talking about how the Tigers came back and almost won the game even though they should have been losing by 6 goals. We should be talking about how great Buttrey was.

No, instead some idiot has to take all the spotlight (and rightly so, coward)

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Turtle Power ()
Date: October 13, 2020 08:26AM

Shame... Wrote:
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> It's such a shame that a gripping, great display
> of football for a Grand Final got ruined by one
> idiot. We should be talking about how the Tigers
> came back and almost won the game even though they
> should have been losing by 6 goals. We should be
> talking about how great Buttrey was.
>
> No, instead some idiot has to take all the
> spotlight (and rightly so, coward)

Well said

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Alfie ()
Date: October 13, 2020 08:29AM

What a great game of football and fantastic to be a part of it. The loss hurts more and more as the days go by. A well deserved win by WPH by the end, they should've been completely out of sight by halftime if not for Buttrey's superb display. It would've been a great game to watch for the neutral and it was great to be a part of it, albeit on the losing side.

For what it's worth, on behalf of the club and our supporters, I'd like to apologise for the behaviour of the spectator who threw the can of beer. That's completely unacceptable and disgraceful behaviour and we will be looking into the matter internally trying to identify the culprit. We don't want to be associated with this individual and if identified, we'll certainly take action. I personally wasn't aware of it happening until reading this thread this morning and am saddened by it.


Well done to WPH on a fantastic season in both grades.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Don Bradman ()
Date: October 13, 2020 08:38PM

You know before this game I was gonna go into bat for Epping Eastwood and I think we still should. I haven't heard one complaint about on-field behaviour or off-field behaviour. The points deduction last year that costed them a final spot was the light-switching moment that ultimately determined that things at the club needed to change.

Getting rid of Mouynis and Wrighty were steps in the right direction. The President of the club becoming a referee was also a good stetp. They have played great football this year without any dirty stuff.

I've got a feeling (and hoping) that this spectator is not directly associated with the club. If he is a player/coach/referee he should be expelled from any footballing activity within this association. For Epping Eastwood's sake and for the PL competition, I just hope he was just an extra that had nothing else better to do than throw a can of beer...

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Mark Clattenberg ()
Date: October 13, 2020 09:11PM

Shame... Wrote:
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> It's such a shame that a gripping, great display
> of football for a Grand Final got ruined by one
> idiot. We should be talking about how the Tigers
> came back and almost won the game even though they
> should have been losing by 6 goals. We should be
> talking about how great Buttrey was.
>
> No, instead some idiot has to take all the
> spotlight (and rightly so, coward)

Let's talk about the goalkeeping performance.

Have a check of Buttrey's saves and the impeccable goalkeeping technique especially with the one on one's.

26th second - has his near post marked out and reduces the angle on the one on one. Isn't crouched too low (mid-way) which allows him to react quickly upwards to the quick, hard shot that was aiming towards top corner.

3rd minute (Munoz one on one shot) - Has his near post covered which means Izaac has to thunder it top left corner or swing it around towards the right. His hands are controlled (not flapping around) and comes out slightly to further reduce the angle and Izaac hits it straight to him.

6th minute 43rd second - Ball crossed into towards the 6 yard box with Kane running in quickly. Look at the anticipation and reading of play to make a last ditch clearance. One might think that's pretty routine. I've seen occasions where those have become goals because GK's don't command their 6 yard box or are able to read play properly.

15th minute - The diagonal switch-cross from the CB catches Buttrey out and therefore Izaac has the upper hand in the one on one. Buttrey adjusts his positioning, covers his near post, knows he has to get low and makes the save with his feet (Munoz looks to not have got the full power he wanted and caught more ground than ball but take nothing away from the save).

That's four key one on one saves before the 1st goal at the 19th minute. Even with the first goal, Buttrey does everything right from a GK perspective. The minute the ball gets played to Kane's feet, he's already off his line, reducing as much angle and putting pressure on the striker to kicking it out wide. Also got finger-tips to it.

If your a young goalkeeper coming through the junior ranks, watching Buttrey and analysing his technique in the GF is almost a must. There's more saves that were made and to analyse but the bottom line is this: a great goalkeeper who makes a 85% or greater save to goal ratio can determine a season or in this case the momentum of a GF. Lifts the mentality of the team to encourage them that this game still can be won. Rightly given MOTM. As the commentator stated in the match "NPL clubs will be wanting to sign him up".

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Analysis/10 ()
Date: October 13, 2020 09:21PM

good to see someone change the discussiom a bit and great analysis there
Care to share some analysis of the game as a whole?

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Mark Clattenberg ()
Date: October 13, 2020 10:07PM

Analysis/10 Wrote:
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> good to see someone change the discussiom a bit
> and great analysis there
> Care to share some analysis of the game as a
> whole?

EEW started the game slower off the blocks whilst West Penno were quick and direct in their approach. I feel it's so easy to watch games and start analysing games to the cows go home as if your watching an EPL game and analysing the difference in gegenpressing vs tiki taka. At the end of the day football is a simple game. West Penno played it simple and the results showed. You play against a high line defence with 3 quick attackers up front who have banged in goal left, right and centre all season round, you'd be mad not to play to those strengths. Simple lobbed balls from the CB or the lobbed through ball from Andrew Zalunadro to the front three created the majority of the one on one chances that West Penno had against Buttrey. Simple football but really effective football. Reffed West Penno only once this year in the Penno derby at Penno, and 4 quick counters from dis-possessions in midfield destroyed the game in under 10 minutes.

The second goal, the backline of EEW will be frustrated about. Kane is basically on the last man (RCcool smiley who isn't positioned with the rest of the high-line playing him onside and allowing him a one on one with the keeper.

Before EEW scored their goal, the second half they had more flow in the game and EEW was able to control the middle of the park more, lots of good link up play. Ollie Green particularly got more time on the ball and the backline was more structured and organised (tracking runs better and getting closer to WPH's two wingers). The free-kick leading to the goal came about due to the defender not back-tracking him tightly at all, allowing the striker to score.

Second goal - outstanding free-kick placement. You can watch that all day.

Game then became end to end and quick. Great hard football and lots of diagonal balls to both teams wingers. Midfield became almost a by-pass.

West Penno had the best of the chances in the extra-time period and then pens.

Brilliant game to watch as a neutral. Thoroughly enjoyed watching it. Apologies for the lengthy post. I idolise football too much and I enjoy this competition too much.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Mark Clattenberg ()
Date: October 13, 2020 10:08PM

*The emoji is an auto-correct. Its suppose to be RCB (right centre back)

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Alfie ()
Date: October 14, 2020 07:41AM

Mark Clattenberg Wrote:
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> *The emoji is an auto-correct. Its suppose to be
> RCB (right centre back)

Wish you hadn't clarified. I was getting there! Wasn't expecting the ball to come back again so quickly. They were relentless in the first half. Watching some of the game back, the pace was very quick.

Good analysis but your love of goalkeeping is sightly concerning.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Natho ()
Date: October 14, 2020 08:07AM

Mark Clattenberg Wrote:
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> *The emoji is an auto-correct. Its suppose to be
> RCB (right centre back)

"You can analyse till the cows go home" - precedes to analysis the game till the cows go home haha

Great analysis Palé.

If you want my 2 cents, when West Penno usually go 2 or 3 goals up within the first 20 minutes of the match, they usually control the rest of the game by playing it slower, more neater, possession based. Well thats what they did against us anyway.

I felt they were way too complacent being 2 goals up. They allowed Ollie Green and the midfield to move further up the pitch. Saying that, you can tell they are the fittest team in the comp. Even with the changing of the subs rule this year, they had the legs to cover more distance on the pitch and had the clearer chances in ET.

Interestingly also West Penno swapped their wingers in the first half. I think they wanted Irwin to go up against Furno. Quicker off the mark and Furno is prone to getting the yellow for challenges. I don't this paid off long term because Furno and Barnett (as you said) got heaps tight and tracked runs really well.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Gary Neville ()
Date: October 14, 2020 09:26AM

Agree with Mark, I thought Tigers did well of re-adjusting the backline in the second half. More structured, more compact and slightly deeper. Made a huge difference in dealing with the lobbed balls. The full-backs initially didn't go forward as much which didn't leave the gaps for the West Penno wingers to exploit. Played the off-side trap better as well and West penno got caught up a few times because of it.

Regarding the Tigers goalkeeper, the bigger note to make is the calmness and control he has when coming out. When you see a keeper come out with such confidence, he dictates to the striker where he needs to kick the ball.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Mark Clattenberg ()
Date: October 14, 2020 02:46PM

Alfie Wrote:
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> Mark Clattenberg Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > *The emoji is an auto-correct. Its suppose to
> be
> > RCB (right centre back)
>
> Wish you hadn't clarified. I was getting there!
> Wasn't expecting the ball to come back again so
> quickly. They were relentless in the first half.
> Watching some of the game back, the pace was very
> quick.
>
> Good analysis but your love of goalkeeping is
> sightly concerning.

Perfectly understandable excuse. Youre right, the game was played at a ridiculously quick pace but it was still controlled. Never thought the game would boil over because of a mistime tackle.

Haha use to be a crap goalkeeper back in my junior days and therefore was taught the art of it. Never got close to doing the basics right and ended up having to take the whistle.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Rumour? ()
Date: October 14, 2020 06:07PM

Can someone confirm,ive heard that the spectator got escorted out but does anyone know whether or not the spectator has been identified by name?

Or is that part of the investigation, where the assoc. Has to identify the perpetrator?

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Juice ()
Date: October 15, 2020 06:00AM

From an old GK, it was pleasure to watch Butt's performance. A captain's knock for sure. Easily the standout on the pitch, and on his individual performance, a shame EEW couldn't secure the win. Always thought Butts was quality with potential as a young pup coming through at EEW PL and that performance cements that. Congrats Butts on the player of the final... a clear stand out.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Long ball ugliness ()
Date: October 15, 2020 08:05AM

No love for WPH there juice? Haha your old club did win you know.

As for the game itself Mark summed it up with Game then became end to end and quick. Great hard football and lots of diagonal balls to both teams wingers. Midfield became almost a by-pass. Accept not great hard football mark but rubbish long ball. Gone are the days of good linkage football like the old penno or St. Andrews. Knock it long diagonal or otherwise to quick strikers in a comp of rubbish defenders. Yawn but it gets results i guess

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Salty Chips ()
Date: October 15, 2020 08:30AM

Yea man, how dare teams take advantage of their strengths to expose their opponents weaknesses!

It really bugs me when they use a formation that suits them and has proven to be consistently effective time and time again against us, it's just terrible.

If I had my way I'd be playing a style of football that is less effective, slower and gives my opposition a better chance to beat us.

THAT"S how football is meant to be played.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Shortnfast ()
Date: October 15, 2020 08:44AM

Looking back I think the only teams that played short this year been saints and normo the rest played long.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Long ball ugliness ()
Date: October 15, 2020 08:48AM

You’re not wrong salty if it works it works and it speaks volumes for the quality of the comps defence as a whole, rubbish.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Mark Clattenberg ()
Date: October 15, 2020 09:41AM

Long ball ugliness Wrote:
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> You’re not wrong salty if it works it works and
> it speaks volumes for the quality of the comps
> defence as a whole, rubbish.


I think alot of what you're speaking about goes under the broader category of the changing nature of football especially in the last decade. How much more emphasis has the game in general been around playing like Barcelona? Almost every team nowadays (juniors all the way up to PL) basically play the same 4-3-3 with a high line. The problem around that, is that this style of football is more complex than what you see on the TV. The on the ball technicality of players is stretched, the discipline of positioning both on and off the ball is quite sophisticated playing as a unit and I just don't think alot of teams (broadly in our association as a whole) are suited to that kind of football. The players bring out the formation and the tactics, not the other way around.

Refereeing alot of the reps junior football over the years, you see that teams have worked so much on team compact pressing and not on so much the advanced basics like one on one defending, back four communication and even the art of heading.
The true art of defending has been lost and that's not the fault of any club but a by-product of the games development.

Play the game simply, play it to your strengths. At the end of the day whatever gets you the win, is all that matters.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Joseph G ()
Date: October 15, 2020 10:52AM

Mark Clattenberg Wrote:
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> Long ball ugliness Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You’re not wrong salty if it works it works
> and
> > it speaks volumes for the quality of the comps
> > defence as a whole, rubbish.
>
>
> I think alot of what you're speaking about goes
> under the broader category of the changing nature
> of football especially in the last decade. How
> much more emphasis has the game in general been
> around playing like Barcelona? Almost every team
> nowadays (juniors all the way up to PL) basically
> play the same 4-3-3 with a high line. The problem
> around that, is that this style of football is
> more complex than what you see on the TV. The on
> the ball technicality of players is stretched, the
> discipline of positioning both on and off the ball
> is quite sophisticated playing as a unit and I
> just don't think alot of teams (broadly in our
> association as a whole) are suited to that kind of
> football. The players bring out the formation and
> the tactics, not the other way around.
>
> Refereeing alot of the reps junior football over
> the years, you see that teams have worked so much
> on team compact pressing and not on so much the
> advanced basics like one on one defending, back
> four communication and even the art of heading.
> The true art of defending has been lost and that's
> not the fault of any club but a by-product of the
> games development.
>
> Play the game simply, play it to your strengths.
> At the end of the day whatever gets you the win,
> is all that matters.

100% agree with this. It's honestly sometimes worrying when you watch the 18/1s or 21/1s beforehand and see how poorly those teams are when it comes to the basics. It's ironic that the FFA have gone all crazy about playing technical football yet what you see in the junior games is meaningless possession for the sake of possession, with no creativity or vision to break a defence open which then leads to long balls because defences don't know how to defend.

Football in Australia is getting worse. It's showing on the international level and at the grassroots level.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Juice ()
Date: October 15, 2020 11:21AM

Agree Joseph though it is a hard culture to break. They took away 'finals' etc U11s down a while ago, like most of the world already does, in a bid to not place emphasis so much on winning, position on tables, finals etc. Problem is, it's the Australian mentality that needs to be work on at that level. I coached my son's u11s since they were u6s. No finals so position on a table is irrelevant, however I had the odd parent question 'tactics' (that's laughable in itself at u11s) because I spent too many games focusing on instilling structure rather than go forward and 'bang in' goals to use their words. Similar when I encouraged players to be 'expressive' in their play rather than robotic and predictable, parents whinged. Don't get me wrong, kids love scoring goals, but they enjoyed it more when near every player had a part in the build up rather than giving it the kid with a 'big boot' to hoof it forward to the quick striker standing way offside (though not because there is no offside in u11s). Funny thing is, our PL just a lot of that, just not so much standing offside before hand lol.

Not to take away from WPH, or any side for that matter, but nearly every team's defensive line I saw this year was pretty ordinary when it came to structure and even simple communication. They all like to push high, flat and fast with no regard for compaction and come unstuck with either the simplest dink over the top or a diagonal in behind where the wide open spaces are because of that lack of compaction and communication between centres and wide backs. If Kurt Morrison and Boz were playing still, they would have a field day lol. WPH exploit it well but from seeing that side 4-5 years ago, they've also matured in understanding controlling the game. Still a little bit to go for mine in that department, but they are still a relatively young side with a winning culture (very important). Doesn't go well for the rest of the comp for a few more years to come if the WPH side remains as is.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Spooky ()
Date: October 15, 2020 01:35PM

You're on the money Juice when it comes to the hyper-focus on attacking football and usually it comes at a sacrifice of good defence as you said.
That is except for West Penno.

13 goals against in 14 games (8 of those in the last 5 games too)

Edit: Just had a look at their ressies too, even more impressive with only 7 goals against all year.

Next few years will be interesting indeed.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Juice ()
Date: October 15, 2020 02:14PM

Spooky Wrote:
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> You're on the money Juice when it comes to the
> hyper-focus on attacking football and usually it
> comes at a sacrifice of good defence as you said.
> That is except for West Penno.
>
> 13 goals against in 14 games (8 of those in the
> last 5 games too)
>
> Edit: Just had a look at their ressies too, even
> more impressive with only 7 goals against all
> year.
>
> Next few years will be interesting indeed.

mmm true, though the offense outside of WPH this season seemed pretty lackluster. WPH's defence is their offense lol.

NOR 2006 conceded only 6 in 18 games... now that was a tight nip defence against some strong offensive sides back then. The 'little' general that everyone loved to hate, Nate Gray bossed that backline around. Mind you, 4 of those 6 came from a mediocre WPH in 2 games that year - Kev Iredale (2) unstoppable... for those 2 games lol.

A 6 goal grand final may suggest defence is not a strong point in what traditional are close and arm wrestle type games.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: 3rd year running ()
Date: October 15, 2020 02:57PM

If WPH manage to win the premiership and championship next year would they be graced as the most successful PL club of all time? even better than the bush pigs

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Juice ()
Date: October 15, 2020 03:29PM

KEN are not even close and even on 3 back to back neither are WPH - even if it hasn’t been done before. EPP of the 80s and EEW of the 90s have that honour. Within comp and including CoC. I sadly came in on the back end of that EEW era. Been a long time before any squad I’ve seen come close to that one. But yes, if the current comp doesn’t improve across the board, WPH certainly have the making.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Thoughts ()
Date: October 15, 2020 03:39PM

What’s the standard of the comp now then juice? Compared to your time you played for a long time in the pl

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: Good but not great ()
Date: October 15, 2020 03:50PM

To be fair though, WPH have won the past 2 GF's on penalties.

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Re: Grand Final Predictions
Posted by: More to come ()
Date: October 15, 2020 03:56PM

Indeed WPH are for the most part still a very young team, I think a lot of those players are still 3-4 years away from their peak so if they stick together it will be very interesting to watch them grow. It's great to see the quality they bring and it can only benefit the whole comp as other teams will need to improve and do their best to match them!

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