Grand Final Predictions

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Grand Final Predictions
wrote on 09-Oct-20 14:01

Grand Final on Sunday.

4:30pm kick off Premier League Reserves

West Pennant Hills vs Epping Eastwood


6:30pm kick off Premier League Firsts

West Pennant Hills vs Epping Eastwood


Predictions?

Reserves

2-1 to EEW (Goal to be scored in extra time)

Firsts

3-1 to WPH

Both games will be live to watch or available to watch on replay on www.clutch.tv

You have to create an account and click on the NWSF Grand Finals title which will be available from today onwards.

Good luck to both teams!

Lock Out
wrote on 09-Oct-20 14:08

West Penno to take out ressies 2-0. EEW to win 1sts 2-1.

Tighers
wrote on 09-Oct-20 16:00

No but Epping eastwood fans will be collecting ciggie butts from under the seats and out of the bin

Grant Night
wrote on 09-Oct-20 16:07

Are they collecting gold coins for entry...?

Curiously
wrote on 09-Oct-20 18:09

Just wondering if NWSF are "ticketing" all the division 1 GF's on Saturday at Christie Park. With 2 fields running simultaneously I hope they don't go over the 500 max at any point.

No
wrote on 09-Oct-20 20:07

Not ticketed

Live streaming
wrote on 11-Oct-20 16:09

Anyone else watching the live-stream? Watching the Ressies and EEW already have two men booked in 15 minutes. Not much has happened so far 0-0

Butters
wrote on 11-Oct-20 18:04

The EEW goalkeeper has probably made 5 crucial saves thats saved this GF from an embarrassment so far. Fantastic saves! West Penno dominating the game so far. Won't be surprised if the second doesn't come soon...

THE ROCK
wrote on 11-Oct-20 19:00

Updates?

Mark Clattenberg
wrote on 11-Oct-20 19:09

Epping Eastwood are now 3-2 up. As described above, West Penno dominated the game with lots of through balls through to their front 3 and Buttrey made 7 saves. West Penno went up 2-0 and then the game slowly changed momentum towards Tigers. Really great Grand Final spectacle! Great crowd atmosphere

3-3
wrote on 11-Oct-20 20:04

3-3 now. EEW goalkeeper saved a penalty and it went out for a corner but then EEW conceded from that corner.

Double Double Double
wrote on 11-Oct-20 21:03

WPH 3-1 on pens. Best team won. EEW keeper deservedly MOTM Scum EEW “supporters” threw full VB can at our players hitting a player on the back of the head. Total grubs - suck on that losers.

Bad composure
wrote on 11-Oct-20 21:06

You'd think a team would practice penaltys going into a final Both teams were atrocious from the spot

BirdWatcher
wrote on 11-Oct-20 21:07

Red card to the EEW gutless scumbag who threw the beer can that hit the WPH player. It's this sort of sh#t which means the rest of the comp has zero respect for EEW....

VB - Losers choice of drink
wrote on 11-Oct-20 22:06

Guaranteed the guy is a massive prick who threw the can; he probably has no teeth and has vaginal backwash as a preferred drink of choice

Victor Bravo
wrote on 11-Oct-20 22:07

Waste of a VB tinny if you ask me

Go to the video
wrote on 11-Oct-20 23:05

So - VB can - was it caught on video or are you just making it up?

Back to Football
wrote on 12-Oct-20 08:06

Congratulations to both sides in a very entertaining Grand Final played end to end with a crazy number of goal scoring chances especially to WPH's where the EEW goalkeeper kept them in the game with at least half a dozen top drawer saves. Groundskeeper Willy had dumped a lot of silicon sand mid week making the Christie Park surface slow which meant long balls over the top stopped on a dime which WPH's exploited well in the first half and could have been up by 5 goals at half time. EEW fought back well scoring a goal against the run of play and then a few minutes later a well taken 25 yard free kick. The game had everything from WPH being 2-0 up to being 3-2 down then levelling and missing some chances to win late. It had penalties to penalty saves, goal line clearances and keeper tackles outside the box followed by a penalty shootout where WPH's were the first team to miss on their second penalty but still got up.

eew dickheads
wrote on 12-Oct-20 10:08

Double Double Double Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > WPH 3-1 on pens. > > Best team won. EEW keeper deservedly MOTM > > Scum EEW “supporters” threw full VB can at our > players hitting a player on the back of the head. > Total grubs - suck on that losers. I remember one of the EEW cunts set out to break a leg of an STA player. Really sums up how that club is running. Pack of grubs the lot of them even the junior teams. there is ONE TEAM from Eastwood.

wowzers
wrote on 12-Oct-20 11:04

For Kane not to get man of the match shows how good the EEW keeeper is.

Matthews
wrote on 12-Oct-20 11:05

curious? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Did Butts get the player of the match gong then? He did

curious?
wrote on 12-Oct-20 11:05

Did Butts get the player of the match gong then?

Criminal
wrote on 12-Oct-20 14:04

Was the fan who threw the VB identified? He'd be lucky to get away with just a red card Sadly the footage of the game only showed the player after they were on the ground hurt

NWSFA Jokers.
wrote on 12-Oct-20 14:08

Tell me you are joking.... GHFA lock out the rest of the league who are genuinely interested in watching/behaving for this bafoon to carry on like only EEW supporters know how. Sorry EFC supporters know how too, but they get reprimanded.

Sour
wrote on 12-Oct-20 16:03

As a neutral at the game, the atmosphere wasn't too bad considering the limited numbers. The 1st half of ressies was a bit of a snore, but the second half was good to watch with WPH scoring some nice goals. EEW weren't helped with the red card, an there was only going to be 1 winner once EEW were down to 10. 1st Grade was a great game, WPH should have been out of sight by half time. EEW changed the game in the space of 5 minutes and then went ahead but couldn't hold out despite saving a late pen. The penalty shootout wasn't great, nerves obviously getting to a few players. EEW keeper best on ground by far. But the night was soured by the moron who threw a beer can at the WPH players, yes they were celebrating in front of you but that sort of thing doesn't belong in society let alone on a football pitch. Hopefully the WPH player is ok.

ban him
wrote on 12-Oct-20 16:08

its all good. he has had charges press against him. Hopefully he gets a deserved life ban. Moron. So typical of Epping Eastwood as a club.... but im sure someone at headquarters will sweep it under the carpet. God forbid it be any other club in the association.

Disgrace
wrote on 12-Oct-20 17:08

That’s absolutely pathetic by EEW. Each and every one of them should be ashamed of themselves.

Toovey
wrote on 12-Oct-20 18:00

Was he a player from the club watching the game or a friend of a player with no affiliation with eew. If he is a player from eew he won’t get much cause Ian Kendal sits on the GPT board.

Bitter
wrote on 12-Oct-20 19:04

You can see the offending missile at 2h 28 mins and 30sec. Poor form from eew.

Ian Kendal
wrote on 12-Oct-20 21:02

Didn’t see it. Video evidence not allowed.

Excuses
wrote on 12-Oct-20 23:03

Player/spectator/friend, it doesn’t matter. It’s the type of people EEW attract and it’s been that way for years. Anyone who’s played at Boronia will understand that this is not a shocking thing to expect from their fans. Even worse than KEN back at kp2 On their day, those idiots grew up under Power lines and could barely string 3 words together and still had better behaved fans. You have gotten rid of a few bad influences in terms of players and have made attempts to clean up your image on the park but still have toxic fans. Like it or not within this association EEW is synonymous for “Grub”

Keith Hackett
wrote on 13-Oct-20 07:09

GHFA after a name change to NWSF is still the same old same old.. Competition Fixtures are late.. Results are late as usual It's already Tuesday and G Finals results are still un-published for the whole association.

Shame...
wrote on 13-Oct-20 09:00

It's such a shame that a gripping, great display of football for a Grand Final got ruined by one idiot. We should be talking about how the Tigers came back and almost won the game even though they should have been losing by 6 goals. We should be talking about how great Buttrey was. No, instead some idiot has to take all the spotlight (and rightly so, coward)

Turtle Power
wrote on 13-Oct-20 09:06

Shame... Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's such a shame that a gripping, great display > of football for a Grand Final got ruined by one > idiot. We should be talking about how the Tigers > came back and almost won the game even though they > should have been losing by 6 goals. We should be > talking about how great Buttrey was. > > No, instead some idiot has to take all the > spotlight (and rightly so, coward) Well said

Alfie
wrote on 13-Oct-20 09:09

What a great game of football and fantastic to be a part of it. The loss hurts more and more as the days go by. A well deserved win by WPH by the end, they should've been completely out of sight by halftime if not for Buttrey's superb display. It would've been a great game to watch for the neutral and it was great to be a part of it, albeit on the losing side. For what it's worth, on behalf of the club and our supporters, I'd like to apologise for the behaviour of the spectator who threw the can of beer. That's completely unacceptable and disgraceful behaviour and we will be looking into the matter internally trying to identify the culprit. We don't want to be associated with this individual and if identified, we'll certainly take action. I personally wasn't aware of it happening until reading this thread this morning and am saddened by it. Well done to WPH on a fantastic season in both grades.

Don Bradman
wrote on 13-Oct-20 21:08

You know before this game I was gonna go into bat for Epping Eastwood and I think we still should. I haven't heard one complaint about on-field behaviour or off-field behaviour. The points deduction last year that costed them a final spot was the light-switching moment that ultimately determined that things at the club needed to change. Getting rid of Mouynis and Wrighty were steps in the right direction. The President of the club becoming a referee was also a good stetp. They have played great football this year without any dirty stuff. I've got a feeling (and hoping) that this spectator is not directly associated with the club. If he is a player/coach/referee he should be expelled from any footballing activity within this association. For Epping Eastwood's sake and for the PL competition, I just hope he was just an extra that had nothing else better to do than throw a can of beer...

Mark Clattenberg
wrote on 13-Oct-20 22:01

Shame... Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's such a shame that a gripping, great display > of football for a Grand Final got ruined by one > idiot. We should be talking about how the Tigers > came back and almost won the game even though they > should have been losing by 6 goals. We should be > talking about how great Buttrey was. > > No, instead some idiot has to take all the > spotlight (and rightly so, coward) Let's talk about the goalkeeping performance. Have a check of Buttrey's saves and the impeccable goalkeeping technique especially with the one on one's. 26th second - has his near post marked out and reduces the angle on the one on one. Isn't crouched too low (mid-way) which allows him to react quickly upwards to the quick, hard shot that was aiming towards top corner. 3rd minute (Munoz one on one shot) - Has his near post covered which means Izaac has to thunder it top left corner or swing it around towards the right. His hands are controlled (not flapping around) and comes out slightly to further reduce the angle and Izaac hits it straight to him. 6th minute 43rd second - Ball crossed into towards the 6 yard box with Kane running in quickly. Look at the anticipation and reading of play to make a last ditch clearance. One might think that's pretty routine. I've seen occasions where those have become goals because GK's don't command their 6 yard box or are able to read play properly. 15th minute - The diagonal switch-cross from the CB catches Buttrey out and therefore Izaac has the upper hand in the one on one. Buttrey adjusts his positioning, covers his near post, knows he has to get low and makes the save with his feet (Munoz looks to not have got the full power he wanted and caught more ground than ball but take nothing away from the save). That's four key one on one saves before the 1st goal at the 19th minute. Even with the first goal, Buttrey does everything right from a GK perspective. The minute the ball gets played to Kane's feet, he's already off his line, reducing as much angle and putting pressure on the striker to kicking it out wide. Also got finger-tips to it. If your a young goalkeeper coming through the junior ranks, watching Buttrey and analysing his technique in the GF is almost a must. There's more saves that were made and to analyse but the bottom line is this: a great goalkeeper who makes a 85% or greater save to goal ratio can determine a season or in this case the momentum of a GF. Lifts the mentality of the team to encourage them that this game still can be won. Rightly given MOTM. As the commentator stated in the match "NPL clubs will be wanting to sign him up".

Analysis/10
wrote on 13-Oct-20 22:01

good to see someone change the discussiom a bit and great analysis there Care to share some analysis of the game as a whole?

Mark Clattenberg
wrote on 13-Oct-20 23:07

Analysis/10 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > good to see someone change the discussiom a bit > and great analysis there > Care to share some analysis of the game as a > whole? EEW started the game slower off the blocks whilst West Penno were quick and direct in their approach. I feel it's so easy to watch games and start analysing games to the cows go home as if your watching an EPL game and analysing the difference in gegenpressing vs tiki taka. At the end of the day football is a simple game. West Penno played it simple and the results showed. You play against a high line defence with 3 quick attackers up front who have banged in goal left, right and centre all season round, you'd be mad not to play to those strengths. Simple lobbed balls from the CB or the lobbed through ball from Andrew Zalunadro to the front three created the majority of the one on one chances that West Penno had against Buttrey. Simple football but really effective football. Reffed West Penno only once this year in the Penno derby at Penno, and 4 quick counters from dis-possessions in midfield destroyed the game in under 10 minutes. The second goal, the backline of EEW will be frustrated about. Kane is basically on the last man (RCB) who isn't positioned with the rest of the high-line playing him onside and allowing him a one on one with the keeper. Before EEW scored their goal, the second half they had more flow in the game and EEW was able to control the middle of the park more, lots of good link up play. Ollie Green particularly got more time on the ball and the backline was more structured and organised (tracking runs better and getting closer to WPH's two wingers). The free-kick leading to the goal came about due to the defender not back-tracking him tightly at all, allowing the striker to score. Second goal - outstanding free-kick placement. You can watch that all day. Game then became end to end and quick. Great hard football and lots of diagonal balls to both teams wingers. Midfield became almost a by-pass. West Penno had the best of the chances in the extra-time period and then pens. Brilliant game to watch as a neutral. Thoroughly enjoyed watching it. Apologies for the lengthy post. I idolise football too much and I enjoy this competition too much.

Mark Clattenberg
wrote on 13-Oct-20 23:08

*The emoji is an auto-correct. Its suppose to be RCB (right centre back)

Alfie
wrote on 14-Oct-20 08:01

Mark Clattenberg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > *The emoji is an auto-correct. Its suppose to be > RCB (right centre back) Wish you hadn't clarified. I was getting there! Wasn't expecting the ball to come back again so quickly. They were relentless in the first half. Watching some of the game back, the pace was very quick. Good analysis but your love of goalkeeping is sightly concerning.

Natho
wrote on 14-Oct-20 09:07

Mark Clattenberg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > *The emoji is an auto-correct. Its suppose to be > RCB (right centre back) "You can analyse till the cows go home" - precedes to analysis the game till the cows go home haha Great analysis Palé. If you want my 2 cents, when West Penno usually go 2 or 3 goals up within the first 20 minutes of the match, they usually control the rest of the game by playing it slower, more neater, possession based. Well thats what they did against us anyway. I felt they were way too complacent being 2 goals up. They allowed Ollie Green and the midfield to move further up the pitch. Saying that, you can tell they are the fittest team in the comp. Even with the changing of the subs rule this year, they had the legs to cover more distance on the pitch and had the clearer chances in ET. Interestingly also West Penno swapped their wingers in the first half. I think they wanted Irwin to go up against Furno. Quicker off the mark and Furno is prone to getting the yellow for challenges. I don't this paid off long term because Furno and Barnett (as you said) got heaps tight and tracked runs really well.

Gary Neville
wrote on 14-Oct-20 10:06

Agree with Mark, I thought Tigers did well of re-adjusting the backline in the second half. More structured, more compact and slightly deeper. Made a huge difference in dealing with the lobbed balls. The full-backs initially didn't go forward as much which didn't leave the gaps for the West Penno wingers to exploit. Played the off-side trap better as well and West penno got caught up a few times because of it. Regarding the Tigers goalkeeper, the bigger note to make is the calmness and control he has when coming out. When you see a keeper come out with such confidence, he dictates to the striker where he needs to kick the ball.

Mark Clattenberg
wrote on 14-Oct-20 15:06

Alfie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Clattenberg Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > *The emoji is an auto-correct. Its suppose to > be > > RCB (right centre back) > > Wish you hadn't clarified. I was getting there! > Wasn't expecting the ball to come back again so > quickly. They were relentless in the first half. > Watching some of the game back, the pace was very > quick. > > Good analysis but your love of goalkeeping is > sightly concerning. Perfectly understandable excuse. Youre right, the game was played at a ridiculously quick pace but it was still controlled. Never thought the game would boil over because of a mistime tackle. Haha use to be a crap goalkeeper back in my junior days and therefore was taught the art of it. Never got close to doing the basics right and ended up having to take the whistle.

Rumour?
wrote on 14-Oct-20 19:07

Can someone confirm,ive heard that the spectator got escorted out but does anyone know whether or not the spectator has been identified by name? Or is that part of the investigation, where the assoc. Has to identify the perpetrator?

Juice
wrote on 15-Oct-20 07:00

From an old GK, it was pleasure to watch Butt's performance. A captain's knock for sure. Easily the standout on the pitch, and on his individual performance, a shame EEW couldn't secure the win. Always thought Butts was quality with potential as a young pup coming through at EEW PL and that performance cements that. Congrats Butts on the player of the final... a clear stand out.

Salty Chips
wrote on 15-Oct-20 09:00

Yea man, how dare teams take advantage of their strengths to expose their opponents weaknesses! It really bugs me when they use a formation that suits them and has proven to be consistently effective time and time again against us, it's just terrible. If I had my way I'd be playing a style of football that is less effective, slower and gives my opposition a better chance to beat us. THAT"S how football is meant to be played.

Shortnfast
wrote on 15-Oct-20 09:04

Looking back I think the only teams that played short this year been saints and normo the rest played long.

Long ball ugliness
wrote on 15-Oct-20 09:05

No love for WPH there juice? Haha your old club did win you know. As for the game itself Mark summed it up with Game then became end to end and quick. Great hard football and lots of diagonal balls to both teams wingers. Midfield became almost a by-pass. Accept not great hard football mark but rubbish long ball. Gone are the days of good linkage football like the old penno or St. Andrews. Knock it long diagonal or otherwise to quick strikers in a comp of rubbish defenders. Yawn but it gets results i guess

Long ball ugliness
wrote on 15-Oct-20 09:08

You’re not wrong salty if it works it works and it speaks volumes for the quality of the comps defence as a whole, rubbish.

Mark Clattenberg
wrote on 15-Oct-20 10:01

Long ball ugliness Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You’re not wrong salty if it works it works and > it speaks volumes for the quality of the comps > defence as a whole, rubbish. I think alot of what you're speaking about goes under the broader category of the changing nature of football especially in the last decade. How much more emphasis has the game in general been around playing like Barcelona? Almost every team nowadays (juniors all the way up to PL) basically play the same 4-3-3 with a high line. The problem around that, is that this style of football is more complex than what you see on the TV. The on the ball technicality of players is stretched, the discipline of positioning both on and off the ball is quite sophisticated playing as a unit and I just don't think alot of teams (broadly in our association as a whole) are suited to that kind of football. The players bring out the formation and the tactics, not the other way around. Refereeing alot of the reps junior football over the years, you see that teams have worked so much on team compact pressing and not on so much the advanced basics like one on one defending, back four communication and even the art of heading. The true art of defending has been lost and that's not the fault of any club but a by-product of the games development. Play the game simply, play it to your strengths. At the end of the day whatever gets you the win, is all that matters.

Joseph G
wrote on 15-Oct-20 11:02

Mark Clattenberg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Long ball ugliness Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > You’re not wrong salty if it works it works > and > > it speaks volumes for the quality of the comps > > defence as a whole, rubbish. > > > I think alot of what you're speaking about goes > under the broader category of the changing nature > of football especially in the last decade. How > much more emphasis has the game in general been > around playing like Barcelona? Almost every team > nowadays (juniors all the way up to PL) basically > play the same 4-3-3 with a high line. The problem > around that, is that this style of football is > more complex than what you see on the TV. The on > the ball technicality of players is stretched, the > discipline of positioning both on and off the ball > is quite sophisticated playing as a unit and I > just don't think alot of teams (broadly in our > association as a whole) are suited to that kind of > football. The players bring out the formation and > the tactics, not the other way around. > > Refereeing alot of the reps junior football over > the years, you see that teams have worked so much > on team compact pressing and not on so much the > advanced basics like one on one defending, back > four communication and even the art of heading. > The true art of defending has been lost and that's > not the fault of any club but a by-product of the > games development. > > Play the game simply, play it to your strengths. > At the end of the day whatever gets you the win, > is all that matters. 100% agree with this. It's honestly sometimes worrying when you watch the 18/1s or 21/1s beforehand and see how poorly those teams are when it comes to the basics. It's ironic that the FFA have gone all crazy about playing technical football yet what you see in the junior games is meaningless possession for the sake of possession, with no creativity or vision to break a defence open which then leads to long balls because defences don't know how to defend. Football in Australia is getting worse. It's showing on the international level and at the grassroots level.

Juice
wrote on 15-Oct-20 12:01

Agree Joseph though it is a hard culture to break. They took away 'finals' etc U11s down a while ago, like most of the world already does, in a bid to not place emphasis so much on winning, position on tables, finals etc. Problem is, it's the Australian mentality that needs to be work on at that level. I coached my son's u11s since they were u6s. No finals so position on a table is irrelevant, however I had the odd parent question 'tactics' (that's laughable in itself at u11s) because I spent too many games focusing on instilling structure rather than go forward and 'bang in' goals to use their words. Similar when I encouraged players to be 'expressive' in their play rather than robotic and predictable, parents whinged. Don't get me wrong, kids love scoring goals, but they enjoyed it more when near every player had a part in the build up rather than giving it the kid with a 'big boot' to hoof it forward to the quick striker standing way offside (though not because there is no offside in u11s). Funny thing is, our PL just a lot of that, just not so much standing offside before hand lol. Not to take away from WPH, or any side for that matter, but nearly every team's defensive line I saw this year was pretty ordinary when it came to structure and even simple communication. They all like to push high, flat and fast with no regard for compaction and come unstuck with either the simplest dink over the top or a diagonal in behind where the wide open spaces are because of that lack of compaction and communication between centres and wide backs. If Kurt Morrison and Boz were playing still, they would have a field day lol. WPH exploit it well but from seeing that side 4-5 years ago, they've also matured in understanding controlling the game. Still a little bit to go for mine in that department, but they are still a relatively young side with a winning culture (very important). Doesn't go well for the rest of the comp for a few more years to come if the WPH side remains as is.

Spooky
wrote on 15-Oct-20 14:05

You're on the money Juice when it comes to the hyper-focus on attacking football and usually it comes at a sacrifice of good defence as you said. That is except for West Penno. 13 goals against in 14 games (8 of those in the last 5 games too) Edit: Just had a look at their ressies too, even more impressive with only 7 goals against all year. Next few years will be interesting indeed.

Juice
wrote on 15-Oct-20 15:04

Spooky Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You're on the money Juice when it comes to the > hyper-focus on attacking football and usually it > comes at a sacrifice of good defence as you said. > That is except for West Penno. > > 13 goals against in 14 games (8 of those in the > last 5 games too) > > Edit: Just had a look at their ressies too, even > more impressive with only 7 goals against all > year. > > Next few years will be interesting indeed. mmm true, though the offense outside of WPH this season seemed pretty lackluster. WPH's defence is their offense lol. NOR 2006 conceded only 6 in 18 games... now that was a tight nip defence against some strong offensive sides back then. The 'little' general that everyone loved to hate, Nate Gray bossed that backline around. Mind you, 4 of those 6 came from a mediocre WPH in 2 games that year - Kev Iredale (2) unstoppable... for those 2 games lol. A 6 goal grand final may suggest defence is not a strong point in what traditional are close and arm wrestle type games.

3rd year running
wrote on 15-Oct-20 15:07

If WPH manage to win the premiership and championship next year would they be graced as the most successful PL club of all time? even better than the bush pigs

Good but not great
wrote on 15-Oct-20 16:00

To be fair though, WPH have won the past 2 GF's on penalties.

More to come
wrote on 15-Oct-20 16:06

Indeed WPH are for the most part still a very young team, I think a lot of those players are still 3-4 years away from their peak so if they stick together it will be very interesting to watch them grow. It's great to see the quality they bring and it can only benefit the whole comp as other teams will need to improve and do their best to match them!

Fool
wrote on 15-Oct-20 16:08

That means absolutely nothing. GF's - it's anyone's game in a one off match. A win is a win Just because it isn't a blowout scoreline doesn't take away from the fact that they've blown the competition away the past 2 seasons.

Juice
wrote on 15-Oct-20 16:09

KEN are not even close and even on 3 back to back neither are WPH - even if it hasn’t been done before. EPP of the 80s and EEW of the 90s have that honour. Within comp and including CoC. I sadly came in on the back end of that EEW era. Been a long time before any squad I’ve seen come close to that one. But yes, if the current comp doesn’t improve across the board, WPH certainly have the making.

Thoughts
wrote on 15-Oct-20 16:09

What’s the standard of the comp now then juice? Compared to your time you played for a long time in the pl

Slab
wrote on 15-Oct-20 17:00

Lets be honest, Premiership was wrapped up with 5 weeks to go. WPH took their foot off the pedal to allow EEW to catch up. Even in the grand final, the WPH Coaches subs were to rotate the squad and give them game time, unlike EEW who squeezed as much as they could out of Oli Green.

Squad strength
wrote on 15-Oct-20 17:05

WPH ressies are full of youngsters and generally play better “pure” football than their first team. Nothing wrong with any style of play of course but they regularly build up from the back and play through midfield. Watch their first goal v EEW for an example of what they’ve done this year when I’ve seen them.

Turbo
wrote on 15-Oct-20 17:08

Fool Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That means absolutely nothing. GF's - it's > anyone's game in a one off match. A win is a win > > Just because it isn't a blowout scoreline doesn't > take away from the fact that they've blown the > competition away the past 2 seasons. Easy there turbo. Whilst they may have been the benchmark I wouldn’t go as far to say “blown away”. EEW this season pushed them to the very last minute in both premiership and GF. They do have quality but I don’t believe it’s as far above everyone else as you make it out to be.

Exceptional
wrote on 15-Oct-20 18:02

If this has taught us anything, it's that filming games is the way to go. So top class comments, analysis and discussion here. Really refreshing.

Juice
wrote on 15-Oct-20 20:02

haha you're asking a ref lol? Best defensive structure I played behind in GHFA PL was with KEN which also included Nate Gray in the squad who ran the show for NOR the year they won it conceding only 6 goals in 18 games. Wasn't complicated and with excellent communication with everyone knowing their job on the pitch, it did the job well at park football level. They played high but compact. Opposite wing backs tucked in making it difficult to open up. Switching play, simply meant the wing back moving out and the opposite tucking in and so on. Defensive line moved as the gaffer described, like a piece of rope in two hands moving side to side. If a team could switch the ball very quickly or maybe a long diagonal ball to a speedy wide winger coming from a deeper position, then teams could get in behind the defence but again the line could move quickly to shut the space down. Simple enough but was very effective and supported well with a mobile and hard working midfield to close even more of the space down. Anyway, that was my two cents. I'm not a PL coach, but for mine the difference at KEN to the 7 or 8 coaches that went through WPH in my time there, was that every player had and knew their job in the position they played, and from a systems point of view, it made defending a hell of a lot easier, especially from my perspective as a GK.

Change?
wrote on 15-Oct-20 20:04

mark/juice/anyone what needs to change in terms of the way coaches approach defending? A lot of discussion around the problems, what are the solutions?

False narrative
wrote on 15-Oct-20 20:06

This narrative that WPH only plays longball to win games is amusing.. Even in the gf yes they used a few balls over the top to good effect, but the speed of their one-two touch build-up play from back to middle to front is miles better than anyone in the comp and they clearly play with purpose whenever they get possession, it's great to watch.

Juice
wrote on 15-Oct-20 21:06

STA when they came up into PL and for many years, also had a phenomenal defence. Closed down space exceptionally fast particularly the second and third phase of plays and then countered with a quick short passing game through the middle to speedy wide midfielders that easily got in behind opposition defences. Both centre backs were man-mountains and very organised. Similar to PEN in the Kurt Morrison era. Pressed fast and as a unit and transitioned into attack with a crisp short passing game and speedy outlets through the strikers and wide mids. Always a deep defended cleaning up. No team in this comp just yet, transitions as fast or effectively as that Penno era. Pretty to watch unless you were the opposition GK as I was lol (will go on record to say WPH didn't beat a PEN side in 10 seasons I believe - a few draws and a lot of losses). Interestingly a lot of PL sides played a deep defender back then, almost sweeper like that snuffed out many a long ball whether straight or diagonal.

Different
wrote on 16-Oct-20 08:05

But what can todays teams do different juice?

Why
wrote on 16-Oct-20 09:02

Why should they do anything different? The game has changed since the 1890’s when everyone dribbled and nobody passed - does that matter? Do you really think today’s players dream of emulating the mighty EEW or Kenthurst of yesteryear? It’s amateur football for god’s sake. I’d love to hear you explain to WPH how after doing a double double double they need to change the way they play to get the undying love and respect of half a dozen people on this forum!!!

Steady
wrote on 16-Oct-20 10:09

Why Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why should they do anything different? The game > has changed since the 1890’s when everyone > dribbled and nobody passed - does that matter? > > Do you really think today’s players dream of > emulating the mighty EEW or Kenthurst of > yesteryear? It’s amateur football for god’s > sake. > > I’d love to hear you explain to WPH how after > doing a double double double they need to change > the way they play to get the undying love and > respect of half a dozen people on this forum!!! Ease up champ, there are at least 8 people on the forum

Juice
wrote on 16-Oct-20 11:00

Why - I don't think anyone is saying WPH needs to do anything different lol. As you said 2 double doubles. Other teams on the other hand... With tongue in cheek though, if teams did emulate defensive ways of yesteryear EEW or KEN, the current WPH may not necessarily find their dominance come so easy, they may still dominate, who knows, just saying ;) Different - previous generations of GHFA PL didn't defend so high, leaving huge spaces to exploit if the opposition was good enough to do so - the current WPH is good enough to do so. Teams didn't press opposition in their half, instead retreated (sat) back into their half, regaining structure and closing space. Only pressing once the opposition came into their half. I shake my head refereeing ressies and lining 1st grade at the needless running of strikers and higher midfielders trying to press high with no joy more often than not because it didn't happen as a unit. In saying that, the ball playing quality of a lot of backs at the moment, isn't much chop so sometimes it pays off. But when you get a side like WPH that can play a decent short passing game, they shred teams that press high where the individual players really don't know how to press high as a unit, and so WPH makes you pay - helps that they have a striker who actually converts most of his chances as well. I'm not suggesting teams regress in football styles to the old days of the whole team getting behind the ball including strikers, sitting back and working defensively as a unit and having a deep centre back aka a sweeper, but over 90 minutes of football, especially at park level, a team needs to move in gears. It can't all be 100km/h in 6th gear, pressing high etc etc. There are times when the game needs more control and adaptation to swings in momentum. Press high at times, sit back at others. This business of end to end football, predominantly through long balls, diagonal or otherwise, is not sustainable for 90 minutes. A team that can do that, will challenge WPH. WPH has a a number of really good players but not x factor like. They are well coached and structured, and play and understand a good brand of football, and now, has a winning mentality. It's hard to break that. I lined WPH v EPP and I've had a few EPP games this season so I could see the difference... I'm sorry to say lads, EPP looked like they just turned up to go through the motions compared to other opposition they played in the season... WPH put them to the sword... even before kick off. Anyway, I'm out. Was a different season, that reminded me of the days playing when there actually was only 14 games in the season - we played a 3 game round robin semi final back then and there were only 8 teams in the comp. Enjoy the off season and may see some of you at summer soccer at Christie. Well done WPH.

Why part 2
wrote on 16-Oct-20 12:05

To respond Juice, that’s a great analysis on pressing of teams. It drives me nuts to see the needless pressing of 1-3 players with a huge gap behind them that the opposition plays into. Transition to the middle third becomes so easy. Also agree that being structured and understanding roles - regardless of style - is the key and the “quality” of the coaching at some clubs is laughable - or to be fair, perhaps the players simply don’t listen?

summary
wrote on 16-Oct-20 20:09

"that's not the fault of any club but a by-product of the games development". this point by mark practically summarises this whole discussion. the game has been influenced so much that our whole national curriculum became revolutionised. you barely see any mention around the art of individual or collective defending. I really worry about the game's future in Australia... The results and the development of players are stagnating if not lowering for a long time now. we've tried to play like the the dutch and spanish and yet no progress has been made in terms of producing midfielders who know how to utilise space, vision and creativity and in the process we've lost the principles of defending. Realistically players that are to be promoted to Sups or Prem's should have 90% of the basics covered and mastered with only minor adjustments to their game regarding style and structure of play. that's not happening anymore. alot of the boys that have been promoted from juniors don't have a clue as juice mentioned regarding the epping defence.

Juice
wrote on 18-Oct-20 13:06

Summary, if you’re referring to juniors within a club progressing to their SL or PL squads, a lot of junior sides are coached by dads and mums or volunteers. Many clubs and FNSW offer coaching courses which is fantastic but they’re not always taken up. What these ‘coaches’ see on tv or what they were brought up knowing is transferred and not always the best. I know some 13 and 14 coaches get training ideas from YouTube. Not a bad thing, I’ve done that for my son’s u11 team I coach where I can’t seem to ‘relate’/‘connect’ with their understanding - they’re div 2 and more inclined to have fun lol. I refereed an u18/1 game this year that blew my mind. If someone had of said can you do this u18 game I would’ve assumed it was div 3 or lower! I think a lot more needs to happen in grassroots coaching for there to be any transference of knowledge and skills. Only knowing of WPH from my history as a player, the club had waves of quality juniors come through. Every 3 to 5 years, they’re be a gun div 1 side come through that some would filter through to the PL. When I was playing, they’re really was only one good crop that came through but this has increased in more recent years and showing in the PL. Helps to that WPH is a big club.

Dyson
wrote on 09-Nov-20 20:01

Alfie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What a great game of football and fantastic to be > a part of it. The loss hurts more and more as the > days go by. A well deserved win by WPH by the end, > they should've been completely out of sight by > halftime if not for Buttrey's superb display. It > would've been a great game to watch for the > neutral and it was great to be a part of it, > albeit on the losing side. > > For what it's worth, on behalf of the club and our > supporters, I'd like to apologise for the > behaviour of the spectator who threw the can of > beer. That's completely unacceptable and > disgraceful behaviour and we will be looking into > the matter internally trying to identify the > culprit. We don't want to be associated with this > individual and if identified, we'll certainly take > action. I personally wasn't aware of it happening > until reading this thread this morning and am > saddened by it. > > > Well done to WPH on a fantastic season in both > grades. Found the culprit yet or has it been swept under the carpet?

Toovey
wrote on 10-Nov-20 06:03

I told you nothing would happen to this bloke.

lord mouyis
wrote on 18-Nov-20 06:04

Alfie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What a great game of football and fantastic to be > a part of it. The loss hurts more and more as the > days go by. A well deserved win by WPH by the end, > they should've been completely out of sight by > halftime if not for Buttrey's superb display. It > would've been a great game to watch for the > neutral and it was great to be a part of it, > albeit on the losing side. > > For what it's worth, on behalf of the club and our > supporters, I'd like to apologise for the > behaviour of the spectator who threw the can of > beer. That's completely unacceptable and > disgraceful behaviour and we will be looking into > the matter internally trying to identify the > culprit. We don't want to be associated with this > individual and if identified, we'll certainly take > action. I personally wasn't aware of it happening > until reading this thread this morning and am > saddened by it. > > > Well done to WPH on a fantastic season in both > grades. classic eew mentality dealing with it "internally" probably going to give them extra beers at the end of season where it should be being dealt with by the police as its an obvious act of assault even when eew are 'acting' nice you can always tell theyre grubs

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